3rdand12 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The 'quise hate runs deep at TBD, almost as much as TJ Graham. Except TJ actually cost the Bills games with fumbles and drops. now jboyst62 will need to chime in. oh dear. can i be a fan of MG and not one of TJ Graham ? I don't think it's hate. It's more of a "figures" type of feeling toward him at this point. Everyone is basically just sitting and waiting for him to take a hit that puts him out for the rest of the year is all. I personally don't care for him because he's almost as bad at tracking the ball in the air as Leodis was. he has had quite a pre season. Maybe he did some off season training with Donnie Henderson ? Become the receiver.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Love to see him do it but I think he needs to trade bodies with Steve Smith (pre Achilles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 he has had quite a pre season. Maybe he did some off season training with Donnie Henderson ? Become the receiver.. lol I'm assuming you meant training camp since he only has 3 receptions for 36 yards in preseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 If he is uncoverable, why wouldn't any OC design more plays for him to be the primary receiver? Orton? He had no trouble finding scrub Hogan deep down in his progressions. In 11 games in 2014, Hogan was targeted 61 times for 41 catches. Goodwin, in 10 games, 9 targets, 1 catch. Maybe Goodwin was so fast that Orton lost sight of him? Or that he was always so uncovered that Orton just assumed he was an opposing defensive player? Look, stop pretending you watched all 22 of Goodwin's games focusing on how open he was. He's a "scrub" like Hogan. A depth guy, even when healthy. Nothing more. Nobody "hates" Goodwin--some of us just don't understand the facts behind the TSW legend of this guy as a WR in this league. It's mythical. And as with myths, when asked for proof, doubters are always told--"it's there, you just aren't looking hard enough, so you can't see it". OK... First off, I'm not saying he's uncoverable. He's not strong enough to consistently avoid getting jammed. But his speed is unmatched. Not just his top speed, but how quickly he accelerates. You keep coming back with stats. And nobody is arguing his lack of production. But you think he's actually not a talented player, which you need more than stats to justify. I believe he has only had one game where he was the feature receiver and he showed really well (home vs Jets in 2014). Also, the scrub Hogan you are referencing just got a pretty decent deal from Bill Belichick. And a QB like Orton is not going to be able to take advantage of what Goodwin's best at anyway. Hogan's strengths worked better in that offense. The Bills haven't had good QB play here in a long time, and now that we seemingly do, we are running a run-first offense. So it's natural that fans like you think guys like Woods, Goodwin, etc. suck. They're not afforded the same opportunities as players on teams with more advanced offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I don't think it's hate. It's more of a "figures" type of feeling toward him at this point. Everyone is basically just sitting and waiting for him to take a hit that puts him out for the rest of the year is all. I personally don't care for him because he's almost as bad at tracking the ball in the air as Leodis was. Don't be knockin' Leodis "MY MAN!" My first play from scrimmage is play action to LeShady, send Sammy and 'quise long, then air it out. Put the Poes on notice immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I want him to do good but i feel like he's another Al Edwards, always hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 now jboyst62 will need to chime in. oh dear. can i be a fan of MG and not one of TJ Graham ? I'm a 'quise fan and despise TJ Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The only thing in his bag are medical supplies. #LittleKnownFact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The only thing in his bag are medical supplies. #LittleKnownFact Actually he's a secret service agent and carries the Nuclear Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) He's the 2nd best receiver on Madden.The digital version has no hammys? I'd love to see him come out and tear it up! Hope he's right! Edited September 10, 2016 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Here's the Bills equipment managers testing out Goodwin's special uniform for Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Here's the Bills equipment managers testing out Goodwin's special uniform for Sunday Considering how often he comes up lame from running routes they better fly Andrew cappuccino out to Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Here's the Bills equipment managers testing out Goodwin's special uniform for Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 First off, I'm not saying he's uncoverable. He's not strong enough to consistently avoid getting jammed. But his speed is unmatched. Not just his top speed, but how quickly he accelerates. You keep coming back with stats. And nobody is arguing his lack of production. But you think he's actually not a talented player, which you need more than stats to justify. I believe he has only had one game where he was the feature receiver and he showed really well (home vs Jets in 2014). Also, the scrub Hogan you are referencing just got a pretty decent deal from Bill Belichick. And a QB like Orton is not going to be able to take advantage of what Goodwin's best at anyway. Hogan's strengths worked better in that offense. The Bills haven't had good QB play here in a long time, and now that we seemingly do, we are running a run-first offense. So it's natural that fans like you think guys like Woods, Goodwin, etc. suck. They're not afforded the same opportunities as players on teams with more advanced offenses. Others in this thread described him as uncoverable. I never thought Woods sucked. I referred to Hogan as a scrub because that's how he was described by many here. I was a supporter of him last season. As a depth receiver he can only be expected to "show well" if he is the featured receiver? Huh?? You keep telling me not to use stats to evaluate Goodwins value, yet what else do we have? Are you now left to argue that Goodwin's NFL WR talents are so extraordinary that every QB he has had throwing to him and each OC (Roman targeted him twice in 2 games total last season) simply could not figure out how to get him the ball? Posters here are describing Goodwin as though he was Victor Cruz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Has anyone mentioned injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Has anyone mentioned injuries? To whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Wow. Well the OP did mention "fantasy".... Anyway, when he has been healthy, he's been a zero threat WR. I go with what my eyes tell me......and they tell me he gets open. Your debating something else entirely.....all of which is completely true. While he cannot be covered...he also has not given the bills production. Mostly because he cant take hits. Getting open Production They are not the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I go with what my eyes tell me......and they tell me he gets open. Your debating something else entirely.....all of which is completely true. While he cannot be covered...he also has not given the bills production. Mostly because he cant take hits. Getting open Production They are not the same thing A lot of "eyes" here endlessly told us that CJ Spiller was a threat to score every time he touched the ball! Your eyes see what you want them to see. Anyway, no, getting open all the time should lead to production--certainly more than Goodwin produced after his first 7 games. He played in 17 more games. If he was open all the time in those games, how is it possible he produced so few catches? Who would choose (nearly) never to throw to a WR who cannot be covered? The logic here gets more and more contorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm assuming you meant training camp since he only has 3 receptions for 36 yards in preseason games. I am afraid i was being sarcastic this time I'm a 'quise fan and despise TJ Graham. I hope this year he can reward our steadfastness, and the abuse we suffered for him. Go Goodwin ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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