Mr. WEO Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I think it's the moral equivalence that an elite and highly privileged American such as this kid assigns himself to actually oppressed minorities that bothers most people. It is completely and only self serving. It is a completely insignificant action, achieving nothing but stoked narcissism. Edited August 27, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 That's quite a stretch. Could not disagree more with you. But your right to an opinion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I think it's the moral equivalence that an elite and highly privileged American such as this kid assigns himself to actually oppressed minorities that bothers most people. It is completely and only self serving. It is a completely insignificant action, achieving nothing but stoked narcissism. It's not okay for a successful and wealthy person to criticize the fact, or even protest the fact that too many people in this country live in poverty? It's not okay for a person considered beautiful to protest the fact that too looks are taken too seriously in this country or to protest body shaming? It's not okay for a gifted brainiac to protest that our schools are broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Honestly, it seems fairly civil. Much better than PPP. Part of the biggest problem is you can't talk about issues without people getting upset and thinking their side is "right." Overall, I think the vast majority of people here are very open minded. But sadly, some of bad stereotypes of Bills fans and WNY are showing here. Sadly, WNY has a bad rep for being racist (but they have a black mayor!). I try to avoid PPP for that very reason. In general when people argue over politics or religion it just makes me cringe. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Educate yourself and practice whatever you think best serves you but don't try to inflict your views on others. Those things are deeply personal IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I try to avoid PPP for that very reason. In general when people argue over politics or religion it just makes me cringe. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Educate yourself and practice whatever you think best serves you but don't try to inflict your views on others. Those things are deeply personal IMO. Yep. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. It's only when they express them that pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yep. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. It's only when they express them that pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 It's not okay for a successful and wealthy person to criticize the fact, or even protest the fact that too many people in this country live in poverty? It's not okay for a person considered beautiful to protest the fact that too looks are taken too seriously in this country or to protest body shaming? It's not okay for a gifted brainiac to protest that our schools are broken? Of course it's ok to do that. That's not what he's doing however, nor how his little protest is playing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yep. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. It's only when they express them that pisses me off. Well played KTD It's also a little ironic that I sit here trying to inflict my views on this team on everyone all of the time. That's football though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I'm going to reiterate this point. Kaepernick wasn't protesting anything, anywhere, until some cameraman caught his bony ass on the sideline bench with a wide-angle lens. That's when he retroactively turned into a protest warrior. Because he got busted being a prima-donna. I'm calling shenanigans on all of it. Edited August 27, 2016 by Ralonzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Of course it's ok to do that. That's not what he's doing however, nor how his little protest is playing out Immaterial to my post, really. I was just commenting on WEO's rationale that an elite and privileged person cannot assign himself to actually oppressed minorities. I'm going to reiterate this point. Kaepernick wasn't protesting anything, anywhere, until some cameraman caught his bony ass on the sideline bench with a wide-angle lens. That's when he retroactively turned into a protest warrior. Because he got busted being a prima-donna. I'm calling shenanigans on all of it. He didn't make a big point of it. He did it last game and two games ago, too, and no one asked him about it so he kept quiet about it. It was just a personal protest. This time they went after him and asked him about it so he told them his reasons. If the reporters didn't ask him the questions, it's not as though he was going to announce and hold a press conference to let his views be known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 It's not okay for a successful and wealthy person to criticize the fact, or even protest the fact that too many people in this country live in poverty? It's not okay for a person considered beautiful to protest the fact that too looks are taken too seriously in this country or to protest body shaming? It's not okay for a gifted brainiac to protest that our schools are broken? It's a free country, he can say or criticize anything he likes, of course. Who says it's "not ok"? But talk is cheap, as is the National Anthem stunt. He wasn't protesting the fact that too many people live in poverty (he would be free to contribute the bulk of his salary to their plight if he was more bothered by this). He was "protesting" the murder of black Americans by police officers--and equating the acts of individuals with "a country". It's a meaningless gesture (and pretty cliched at this point). A token gesture and self serving. So he can spare us--or do something of significance to actually make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 It's a free country, he can say or criticize anything he likes, of course. Who says it's "not ok"? But talk is cheap, as is the National Anthem stunt. He wasn't protesting the fact that too many people live in poverty (he would be free to contribute the bulk of his salary to their plight if he was more bothered by this). He was "protesting" the murder of black Americans by police officers--and equating the acts of individuals with "a country". It's a meaningless gesture (and pretty cliched at this point). A token gesture and self serving. So he can spare us--or do something of significance to actually make a difference. When you criticize someone like you did it's the equivalent of saying it's not okay in your mind. Not in the it's not legal way, but in the it's not right or moral way. Which is what you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 And I think that's what gets most people riled up. He's slamming the entire country for individual acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 And I think that's what gets most people riled up. He's slamming the entire country for individual acts.And I think that is not what these guys are doing. They are saying the individual acts are elements of a systemic and wide spreading problem, and that is what a lot of people don't get. For the record, I am not for the BLM concept, I believe it's ill-conceived and causes as many or more problems than it tries to allay, mostly because smart people like yourself take offense to things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) The one refreshing thing to come out of this whole topic is you get a behind the curtains view of the people you have such a common ground with. Now I'm not saying one subject such as this encapsulates a persons entire being but it does get you thinking and reacting on a whole other level. I don't visit the PPP board as I come to this site because this is where the "best" Bills fans can get there fix. I'll leave you with this and it's is just my opinion: I have a brother who has served since 1997. He's done countless tours and is still serving as a Major in the USAF. The members of this board that comprise that fraternity I thank you endlessly for your service. Some of us who have never served can sympethize as I bet they had a close family member or associate STAND for this country. You don't have to be a color or creed to appreciate the freedoms we receive in America. There are thousands who come by boat, caravan or run all night to get a glimpse of freedom and opportunity. Everyone is right, cause it's an opinion. He has the right to say and do what he wants. But I don't have to like it. And all of the people pounding your fists for equality and the suffering of others, I truly hope you practice what you're preaching and not just trying to argue a point. There are a lot of injustices in this country. But what has he done to improve and better the lives of those he obviously cares so much for? I'll wait and see if he decides to use his platform to further the oppressed. Edited August 28, 2016 by BUFFALOTONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 And I think that is not what these guys are doing. They are saying the individual acts are elements of a systemic and wide spreading problem, and that is what a lot of people don't get. For the record, I am not for the BLM concept, I believe it's ill-conceived and causes as many or more problems than it tries to allay, mostly because smart people like yourself take offense to things like that. And that's why it's totally disingenuous for a star black athlete who hasn't been denied anything because of his race to pull out the race card. My guess is that he's gotten some nasty racist tweets because he lost his starting job, and thinks that is how the entire country thinks that way. His protest is juvenile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 At some point, is someone in the FO accountable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 At some point, is someone in the FO accountable? Fantastic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) And that's why it's totally disingenuous for a star black athlete who hasn't been denied anything because of his race to pull out the race card. My guess is that he's gotten some nasty racist tweets because he lost his starting job, and thinks that is how the entire country thinks that way. His protest is juvenile. That's probably a good read on it. I don't think it's totally disingenuous at all for an athlete to pull out the race card. That's like saying it's totally disingenuous for a star Olympic figure skater or gymnast to play the gay card. Edited August 28, 2016 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I'm going to reiterate this point. Kaepernick wasn't protesting anything, anywhere, until some cameraman caught his bony ass on the sideline bench with a wide-angle lens. That's when he retroactively turned into a protest warrior. Because he got busted being a prima-donna. I'm calling shenanigans on all of it. I caught some film of the incident before the Titans/Raiders game on CBS and came to the same conclusion Special Snowflake didn't feel like standing for the anthem so he came up with this SJW nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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