NoSaint Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I agree with both of you. Both sides are silly. Neither side has any business expressing confidence in themselves if they're hung up on offsets. honestly, i think thats a bit of BS. both sides should try to structure deals to benefit themselves most, even in a worst case scenario. but one side is trying to push an offer that is unusual, while the other is simply asking for standard practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 @nfldraftscout Bosa doesn't need the Chargers money. He's in a position where he can sit out the year and re-enter 2017 draft. Well if he "doesnt need the money" doesnt that contradict his entire reason for the hold out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 As far as I understand it, the team were the ones that drove the wedge first and now they're both being stubborn for the sake of not conceding ground. Obviously, neither side is telling the absolute truth so statements should be taken with a pinch of salt. No issue with a player standing up for their rights in most circumstances. Under the new CBA, I'm fairly sure I could get these deals done. Yes, yes you could. Cash flow and offsets are the only negotiating terms; everything else is basically already set. I see absolutely no reason--on either side--that a holdout should happen these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 @nfldraftscout Bosa doesn't need the Chargers money. He's in a position where he can sit out the year and re-enter 2017 draft. When was the last time something like this happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Well if he "doesnt need the money" doesnt that contradict his entire reason for the hold out? i think at this point its the principle of it. would you want to work for someone that was trying to force a non-industry standard contract on you in what should be a very easy negotiation? Yes, yes you could. Cash flow and offsets are the only negotiating terms; everything else is basically already set. I see absolutely no reason--on either side--that a holdout should happen these days. and even those are only in play at certain ranges where you are on the edge between where guys have/have not gotten it in years past. its really only about 10-20 contracts that see any negotiation and his shouldnt have been one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 honestly, i think thats a bit of BS. both sides should try to structure deals to benefit themselves most, even in a worst case scenario. but one side is trying to push an offer that is unusual, while the other is simply asking for standard practice. The team is asking for standard practice; Jameis Winston's deal had offsets and $6M in deferred money (got paid in March of '16). http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/09/joey-bosa-san-diego-chargers-contract-holdout-nfl-training-camp "For what it’s worth, last year’s top overall pick, Jameis Winston, had offset languageand $6 million of his signing bonus deferred into the subsequent March." Perhaps I'm over-simplifying, but if the #1 (and #2) overall pick in the previous draft can have both offsets and deferred bonus money, what's Bosa's problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 When was the last time something like this happened? The only instance that comes to mind for me is Bo Jackson with the Bucs. Can't recall any others since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Why should the 3rd pick accept a deal that no other players selected before him or for who knows how many picks after was forced to accept, which is the offset language. I'm glad he's holding out and the Chargers can waste their third overall pick and get nothing for it. That's why they are perennial losers. If he was good enough to draft third, you should have zero worries about having to pay the offset. If you are that concerned about offset language, above fielding the best team, then trade down as far as you can to a pick where you won't have to provide it. See how that works out competitively. If he can sit out and re-enter, let him. I am sure the NFLPA will support him and it would be awesome to see the Chargers lose the player altogether over a few millions dollars in offset language. Morons, complete and total morons. The next CBA is going to be an absolute war and I hope the players take the teams and league to the bank. They risk everything, owners risk zero because they get handouts and subsidies left and right from a system and machine that prints its own money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Yes, yes you could. Cash flow and offsets are the only negotiating terms; everything else is basically already set. I see absolutely no reason--on either side--that a holdout should happen these days. I watched the Chargers press conference after the draft. McCoy and Telesco were delighted to have him. So effusive with their praise for his game that it nearly made me gag. How it got from that to this, I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Why should the 3rd pick accept a deal that no other players selected before him or for who knows how many picks after was forced to accept, which is the offset language. Carson Wentz has offset language: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/12/carson-wentz-signs-contract-that-includes-offset-language/ "Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Wentz is signing the four-year deal presently. The Eagles secured a verbal understanding from Wentz and Jared Goff before making the trade to No. 2 in the draft that either player would agree to offset language if they become Philadelphia’s pick. Both players indicated that they would accept that term." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 What a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Michael Tanier @MikeTanier 3m3 minutes agoNew Jersey, USA #Chargers full statement included the line IF IT WEREN'T FOR THIS RIDICULOUS CONTRACT DISPUTE YOU WOULD FORGET WE EXISTED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 We drafted Shaq Lawson, why woulkd we need Bosa? Rex and Bro can make anyone great on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 The team is asking for standard practice; Jameis Winston's deal had offsets and $6M in deferred money (got paid in March of '16). http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/09/joey-bosa-san-diego-chargers-contract-holdout-nfl-training-camp "For what its worth, last years top overall pick, Jameis Winston, had offset languageand $6 million of his signing bonus deferred into the subsequent March." Perhaps I'm over-simplifying, but if the #1 (and #2) overall pick in the previous draft can have both offsets and deferred bonus money, what's Bosa's problem? that softens me on it a bit.i know jameis had his baggage, but if #2 this year also had it, its less solidified as standard practice than what i had previously seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 The Chargers released a statement that still has the Word grammar correction squiggles. iPhone notes app? Common man. Spanos is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) The Chargers released a statement that still has the Word grammar correction squiggles. iPhone notes app? Common man. Spanos is cheap. You cant take 2 seconds to print to PDF?!?!? What a bush-league organization. Edited August 24, 2016 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 The Chargers released a statement that still has the Word grammar correction squiggles. iPhone notes app? Common man. Spanos is cheap. ill admit - that bugged the hell out of me when i saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 ill admit - that bugged the hell out of me when i saw it.its right up there with the empty podium press conference at OBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 @RapSheet #Chargers wanted Joey Bosa to practice twice before the team played their preseason game. They only have walkthrus between the 3rd & 4th gms The #Chargers deadline was so Joey Bosa would be ready to play the season. That deadline passed. Frustration on all sides. They are nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Why should the 3rd pick accept a deal that no other players selected before him or for who knows how many picks after was forced to accept, which is the offset language. I'm glad he's holding out and the Chargers can waste their third overall pick and get nothing for it. That's why they are perennial losers. If he was good enough to draft third, you should have zero worries about having to pay the offset. If you are that concerned about offset language, above fielding the best team, then trade down as far as you can to a pick where you won't have to provide it. See how that works out competitively. If he can sit out and re-enter, let him. I am sure the NFLPA will support him and it would be awesome to see the Chargers lose the player altogether over a few millions dollars in offset language. Morons, complete and total morons. The next CBA is going to be an absolute war and I hope the players take the teams and league to the bank. They risk everything, owners risk zero because they get handouts and subsidies left and right from a system and machine that prints its own money. Yup and I'm sure players think about this when looking for a team. Chargers setting a bad precedent and now they have alienated their top pick to the world. Good luck getting over that in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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