MarlinTheMagician Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 You know, the board feels like the bloom is off the rose a bit in light of Shaq's injury. Here is a call for perspective. Shaq is a really top talent who very much wants to be in Buffalo. He and Reggie tweet each other about what they want to build here. Washington is a top talent too. Our "D" has a chance to be ferocious, young, fast and mean as heck. I for one will not miss Mario one bit, don't care that Shaq is going to miss a few weeks (hope he does not rush it), and am so stoked about the revamped D. I also think Tyrod is going to be a steely-eyed assassin of a quarterback and a straight superstar. What he did as a first year starter was pretty amazing, and he has a unique talent set. What I love though is his work ethic, his intelligence, his natural leadership skills and that it seems he has ice water in his veins. He will be a field general this year that organizes the offense like Kelly used to. You could see the early signs of that last year. There is no young QB in the NFL that I would rather have other than Luck. And after this year, maybe not him either. Not saying it is overt racism (though it may be for a few), but I can't help but feel Tyrod is undervalued in part because of stereotypes that linger for black quarterbacks that can run. He is not Vick. He does not make bad decisions and chuck it up, and he does not run in a way where he is likely to injure himself. He seems very smart. He was very durable last year and missed a little time because of a dirty as heck horse collar. He did it laying it on the line at a crucial time in a game that we could not afford to lose if we wanted to be in the hunt. He willed us to victory. And I was up in Boston for the Monday night game a few weeks later - it was clear he was still hurt, but he sucked it up and played. He is tough as nails. We should get behind this young man until he gives us a reason not to. He is one of my favorite Bills in many, many years. Check out Shaq's video about coming to Buffalo. https://twitter.com/Shaq_Lawson90?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 It's just easier for some to expect disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 You know, the board feels like the bloom is off the rose a bit in light of Shaq's injury. Here is a call for perspective. Shaq is a really top talent who very much wants to be in Buffalo. He and Reggie tweet each other about what they want to build here. Washington is a top talent too. Our "D" has a chance to be ferocious, young, fast and mean as heck. I for one will not miss Mario one bit, don't care that Shaq is going to miss a few weeks (hope he does not rush it), and am so stoked about the revamped D. I also think Tyrod is going to be a steely-eyed assassin of a quarterback and a straight superstar. What he did as a first year starter was pretty amazing, and he has a unique talent set. What I love though is his work ethic, his intelligence, his natural leadership skills and that it seems he has ice water in his veins. He will be a field general this year that organizes the offense like Kelly used to. You could see the early signs of that last year. There is no young QB in the NFL that I would rather have other than Luck. And after this year, maybe not him either. Not saying it is overt racism (though it may be for a few), but I can't help but feel Tyrod is undervalued in part because of stereotypes that linger for black quarterbacks that can run. He is not Vick. He does not make bad decisions and chuck it up, and he does not run in a way where he is likely to injure himself. He seems very smart. He was very durable last year and missed a little time because of a dirty as heck horse collar. He did it laying it on the line at a crucial time in a game that we could not afford to lose if we wanted to be in the hunt. He willed us to victory. And I was up in Boston for the Monday night game a few weeks later - it was clear he was still hurt, but he sucked it up and played. He is tough as nails. We should get behind this young man until he gives us a reason not to. He is one of my favorite Bills in many, many years. Sorry - darn auto correct. Should have been "Shaq, Reggie and Tyrod" Also - you can fire away now, but note that I put it here: Tyrod is going to win Buffalo's first Super Bowl. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 weird how the Tyrod "racists" love Cam and Russell Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) S Lawson unlikely to be a factor this year....missing first half of the season. Then a few games to round into shape.....then the "he's just learning" comments from Ryan.....that will be true, him missing preseason games and all. Might get to see what he can do last few games of the season. Here is hoping those games mean something...if not, more preseason like games in December. wont really know about what he can do until fall 2017 imho. TT might step up big....that would be great for the franchise.......and, TT, of course. Now is his time...he will do it, or be a career backup. You don't get many chances to be #1 in the NFL. (EJ has used up all his 9 lives on that score btw) Edited June 26, 2016 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) Good post. I too choose to look forward instead of backward. As with any team there is some apprehension but there is also quite a bit to be excited about. I don't agree with race coming that much into play with people's differing views on Taylor, but I do think some people may assume he's more of a "running QB" than he really is. I've seen the same thing with people's views on Bridgewater. Edited June 26, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 weird how the Tyrod "racists" love Cam and Russell Wilson. and Kirk Cousins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 No one said anything about racism holding Tyrod Taylor back, and it is funny how people can live in denial of the fact that stereotypes do persist. I think if a bigger, white pocket-passer who didn't run put up Tyrod's 20 TD and 6 INT season as a first year starter there MAY be greater enthusiasm. I can't see how any thinking person cannot at least allow for that possibility. Those that can't probably thought Dennis Shaw as was good as James Harris. And Yolo is right - Tyrod is perceived as more of a "running" QB than he is. It is not knowable whether "black" has any role in that false perception. It could, but it really does not matter. Point I was making is the young man is a baller - leader, worker, team guy, smart and tough. A grinder who overcame odds. A Buffalo guy. He has electric skills that are easy to see. So did Vick. What gives Tyrod the potential for greatness in my view is everything else. And the positive character traits that define the man are talked about in the local media, but not so much nationally. Smart, tough, leader, tireless worker - a Buffalo kind of guy. We sign him long term, he wins our first Super Bowl. And I bet two seats on the 50 he uses the middle just fine this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 You know, the board feels like the bloom is off the rose a bit in light of Shaq's injury. Here is a call for perspective. Shaq is a really top talent who very much wants to be in Buffalo. He and Reggie tweet each other about what they want to build here. Washington is a top talent too. Our "D" has a chance to be ferocious, young, fast and mean as heck. I for one will not miss Mario one bit, don't care that Shaq is going to miss a few weeks (hope he does not rush it), and am so stoked about the revamped D. I also think Tyrod is going to be a steely-eyed assassin of a quarterback and a straight superstar. What he did as a first year starter was pretty amazing, and he has a unique talent set. What I love though is his work ethic, his intelligence, his natural leadership skills and that it seems he has ice water in his veins. He will be a field general this year that organizes the offense like Kelly used to. You could see the early signs of that last year. There is no young QB in the NFL that I would rather have other than Luck. And after this year, maybe not him either. Not saying it is overt racism (though it may be for a few), but I can't help but feel Tyrod is undervalued in part because of stereotypes that linger for black quarterbacks that can run. He is not Vick. He does not make bad decisions and chuck it up, and he does not run in a way where he is likely to injure himself. He seems very smart. He was very durable last year and missed a little time because of a dirty as heck horse collar. He did it laying it on the line at a crucial time in a game that we could not afford to lose if we wanted to be in the hunt. He willed us to victory. And I was up in Boston for the Monday night game a few weeks later - it was clear he was still hurt, but he sucked it up and played. He is tough as nails. We should get behind this young man until he gives us a reason not to. He is one of my favorite Bills in many, many years. Check out Shaq's video about coming to Buffalo. https://twitter.com/Shaq_Lawson90?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Once again.....while I fight tooth and nail with the NNN's on the other side of the coin I totally understand WHY they do it..... 15 years.....FIFTEEN YEARS.....of no playoffs Show me the baby is not a out of order comment here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 No one said anything about racism holding Tyrod Taylor back, and it is funny how people can live in denial of the fact that stereotypes do persist. I think if a bigger, white pocket-passer who didn't run put up Tyrod's 20 TD and 6 INT season as a first year starter there MAY be greater enthusiasm. I can't see how any thinking person cannot at least allow for that possibility. Those that can't probably thought Dennis Shaw as was good as James Harris. And Yolo is right - Tyrod is perceived as more of a "running" QB than he is. It is not knowable whether "black" has any role in that false perception. It could, but it really does not matter. Point I was making is the young man is a baller - leader, worker, team guy, smart and tough. A grinder who overcame odds. A Buffalo guy. He has electric skills that are easy to see. So did Vick. What gives Tyrod the potential for greatness in my view is everything else. And the positive character traits that define the man are talked about in the local media, but not so much nationally. Smart, tough, leader, tireless worker - a Buffalo kind of guy. We sign him long term, he wins our first Super Bowl. And I bet two seats on the 50 he uses the middle just fine this year. You might be right about stereotyping to a certain extent, but you're also overlooking the stereotype of a small-ish running QB and the perpetual fear that he will be injured. In that light, it doesn't matter what the color of his skin is. I don't hold my breath because I don't think he has the "attributes" to be a successful quarterback. I hold my breath when Taylor uses his legs. I hope that with experience, he will stay in the relatively safer pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 weird how the Tyrod "racists" love Cam and Russell Wilson. Do they though b.c I remember a lot here hating on Cam and Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Do they though b.c I remember a lot here hating on Cam and Wilson. I dislike Wilson but it has nothing to do with race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Tyron is not that small. He is 6'1" and 215 of muscle. Injury is a big concern of mine, but nothing in his history indicates he will have a future injury problem. I include in that last year, where he took every shot. Missing some itme after that BS horse collar does not indicate frailty. And he played through it, which showed me a lot -- Goodwin would have been out for the season. I grant that injury risk is a key thing, but I prefer a QB that can move, and I think, like Wilson, Tyrod runs smart. He seems to expose himself only when it is a critical time - and I want him to do that, though I hold my breath. Tennessee was amazing. TT is also is also materially taller than Wilson. Wilson 5'10 on his toes, Tyrod is 6'1 on his. He is like 1-2 inches "too small" - not 4 or 5 inches. I think he is better than Wilson, or at least will be. In addition to the better height, Tyrod throws an elite deep ball. They are very similar, both fine field generals. Swap QB's and the Bills with Wilson will be an awful lot like the Bills with Tyrod, and vice versa. I think right now Tyrod can do as well with that Hawks team as Wilson does. I grant that Wilson has shown he is clutch and Tyrod still has to do that more (though Tennessee was impressive). I also get the "show me the baby" concept, but why bother? This team has nothing to do with the Jauron era, or the Fewell era. It is how people used to be so negative about our City. Personally, I find optimism more fun. And I think there is a real chance for it here because we have a QB (in my view). Rob Johnson/Fitz/Snorton/Checkdown - all false hope. So I get the defense mechanism of negativity. Add in Shaq and Ragland, Dareus, Darby, Gilmore and on and on. I think we should be excited. And Brady can't play forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Wilson measured 5'10 and 5/8ths at the combine, so I shorted him the 5/8ths, point is the same - Tyrod a fair bit taller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 You know Marlin, I've never felt a vibe of racism at least on this site. You could be right as people are smart enough not to overtly state such an ignorant point of view. I look at these newer QB's as in two groups. 1. Kaepernick, Vick, RG3, Manziel- basically 1 read guys that rely on their legs. 2. Wilson, Rodgers, Newton. - they use their legs to extend plays, but always have the eyes down the field and can throw a nice ball in tight quarters. I'm not stating TT is Rodgers, but believe he is learning like Cam almost completely relied on his athleticism in his first year vs. now where he is much more of a complete QB. I can't see group #1 improving. I have nothing against them, and could care less of people's skin color. Believe TT can be a Wilson, and has to take the next step this year. Remember Cam had a great year 1, took a step back year 2, and really came into his own in year 3. TT has 14 starts. Give him another 16 and we'll know if he is our guy for years. The nice thing is if he progresses, we have the rookie for four years to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I dislike Wilson but it has nothing to do with race. Is it b.c he is taller then you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFO Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I am most excited about Taylor and Ragland. Tyrod has a lot to play for jumping from 3 mill to close to 20 million a season is a huge pay raise, if Tyrod can stay healthy I think he will more than likely get that huge contract. Let's be honest folks Tyrod is the best thing we've had since prob Bledsoe or Flutie. If he can get his passing game going he will be a force to be reckoned with. Now onto Ragland. what else can u say other than he is a monster. He will become the new leader of that defense. I think him and Brown will compensate each other nicely. I can't wait for the season to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 You know, the board feels like the bloom is off the rose a bit in light of Shaq's injury. Here is a call for perspective. Shaq is a really top talent who very much wants to be in Buffalo. He and Reggie tweet each other about what they want to build here. Washington is a top talent too. Our "D" has a chance to be ferocious, young, fast and mean as heck. I for one will not miss Mario one bit, don't care that Shaq is going to miss a few weeks (hope he does not rush it), and am so stoked about the revamped D. I also think Tyrod is going to be a steely-eyed assassin of a quarterback and a straight superstar. What he did as a first year starter was pretty amazing, and he has a unique talent set. What I love though is his work ethic, his intelligence, his natural leadership skills and that it seems he has ice water in his veins. He will be a field general this year that organizes the offense like Kelly used to. You could see the early signs of that last year. There is no young QB in the NFL that I would rather have other than Luck. And after this year, maybe not him either. Not saying it is overt racism (though it may be for a few), but I can't help but feel Tyrod is undervalued in part because of stereotypes that linger for black quarterbacks that can run. He is not Vick. He does not make bad decisions and chuck it up, and he does not run in a way where he is likely to injure himself. He seems very smart. He was very durable last year and missed a little time because of a dirty as heck horse collar. He did it laying it on the line at a crucial time in a game that we could not afford to lose if we wanted to be in the hunt. He willed us to victory. And I was up in Boston for the Monday night game a few weeks later - it was clear he was still hurt, but he sucked it up and played. He is tough as nails. We should get behind this young man until he gives us a reason not to. He is one of my favorite Bills in many, many years. Sorry - darn auto correct. Should have been "Shaq, Reggie and Tyrod" Also - you can fire away now, but note that I put it here: Tyrod is going to win Buffalo's first Super Bowl. D Okay. If you insist. I will root for the Bills. I will cheer Tyrod ! You did not have to talk me into it Brother, i am already there. GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Is it b.c he is taller then you? No, I just think Bills fans rate him higher than they should because we missed out on him. He is often put up there with the greats. He is a good QB, but I'll wait and see a few more years before I call him a great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I am most excited about Taylor and Ragland. Tyrod has a lot to play for jumping from 3 mill to close to 20 million a season is a huge pay raise, if Tyrod can stay healthy I think he will more than likely get that huge contract. Let's be honest folks Tyrod is the best thing we've had since prob Bledsoe or Flutie. If he can get his passing game going he will be a force to be reckoned with. Now onto Ragland. what else can u say other than he is a monster. He will become the new leader of that defense. I think him and Brown will compensate each other nicely. I can't wait for the season to start. There are some that might question Raglands value. But he and Brown should be monsters in the middle for the Bills !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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