Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: It's a deliberate set up. She wants riots. They need to regain control of the news cycle. It's that shameless. 3
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Poojer said: This is something i really don't have a problem with at all, it's way better than ruining buildings and still makes an impact. Plus i'd be a hypocrite if i was against it as I love the shamrock painted on the road in Tipp Hill in syracuse every saint patricks day...or green lines painted along parade routes. As someone who works with DDOT and the district government daily, I don't love that the design obscures the crosswalk designations, but that's admittedly nitpicky. 2
Taro T Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Changes in legislation, like amending extradition articles, justify protesting and rioting but inequality in the application of existing legislation does not qualify? The question isn't what freedoms are being taken away from Americans. The question is are the rights that Americans already have being protected and enforced equally for all Americans? And that likely explains the night and day difference in attitudes between the two threads. Much of PPP doesn't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. Its not about the violence in the protest, or the looting, or law and order its about the validity of the underlying issue. I agree that Beijing cares nothing for the rights of their citizens. A significant portion of the American public believes their lives are less valuable in the eyes of their government. Where are you getting the bolded? These protesters absolutely 100% have a right to protest. They do NOT have a right to riot, destroy property, nor injure/ kill people. There was never any doubt that the cops involved in George Floyd's MURDER were going to be brought to justice. They were fired after the incident; not put on administrative leave w/ or w/ out pay, but actually terminated. That implies that something serious was coming down the pike; and within a week it did. The cop that actually put the knee to his neck is now charged with 2nd degree (up from 3rd degree) murder and the others are being charged as accessories. So, though there may be a perception of unequal justice, it doesn't look that way from here. If you feel there is unequal justice there, feel free to join the protests. But those that are rioting and destroying things are screwing the people that live in those communities as it will be a long time, if ever, before those communities have access to the services that will no longer be provided. They have lowered the quality of life in those communities. Let's hope they didn't also subject the people still in those communities to another round of COVID-19 infections. They don't need that on top of everything else. 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's a deliberate set up. She wants riots. They need to regain control of the news cycle. It's that shameless. Yup.
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Taro T said: Where are you getting the bolded? These protesters absolutely 100% have a right to protest. They do NOT have a right to riot, destroy property, nor injure/ kill people. There was never any doubt that the cops involved in George Floyd's MURDER were going to be brought to justice. They were fired after the incident; not put on administrative leave w/ or w/ out pay, but actually terminated. That implies that something serious was coming down the pike; and within a week it did. The cop that actually put the knee to his neck is now charged with 2nd degree (up from 3rd degree) murder and the others are being charged as accessories. So, though there may be a perception of unequal justice, it doesn't look that way from here. If you feel there is unequal justice there, feel free to join the protests. But those that are rioting and destroying things are screwing the people that live in those communities as it will be a long time, if ever, before those communities have access to the services that will no longer be provided. They have lowered the quality of life in those communities. Let's hope they didn't also subject the people still in those communities to another round of COVID-19 infections. They don't need that on top of everything else. He needs to put words in your mouth because it's the only way to make his arguments hold up.
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Much of PPP doesn't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. Its not about the violence in the protest, or the looting, or law and order its about the validity of the underlying issue. I don't agree that most people on PPP don't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. I think there is confusion about legitimacy of feelings and accuracy of perceptions. They are different. Racism is a real thing. That it exists is not debatable. The degree that it exists, the degree to which it is behind behavior in general, and the degree to which it permeates and motivates an entire profession are all debatable. I believe a vast majority of those peacefully protesting legitimately feel what they feel. However, the accuracy of their perception that an entire profession is so pervasively racist that they have no regard whatsoever for black lives is certainly open for honest debate. Of course, we all know it is easier to paint an entire group with the same brush stroke... Not intellectually honest, but easier 4 1
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Taro T said: Where are you getting the bolded? These protesters absolutely 100% have a right to protest. They do NOT have a right to riot, destroy property, nor injure/ kill people. There was never any doubt that the cops involved in George Floyd's MURDER were going to be brought to justice. They were fired after the incident; not put on administrative leave w/ or w/ out pay, but actually terminated. That implies that something serious was coming down the pike; and within a week it did. The cop that actually put the knee to his neck is now charged with 2nd degree (up from 3rd degree) murder and the others are being charged as accessories. So, though there may be a perception of unequal justice, it doesn't look that way from here. If you feel there is unequal justice there, feel free to join the protests. But those that are rioting and destroying things are screwing the people that live in those communities as it will be a long time, if ever, before those communities have access to the services that will no longer be provided. They have lowered the quality of life in those communities. Let's hope they didn't also subject the people still in those communities to another round of COVID-19 infections. They don't need that on top of everything else. Of course they have the right to protest. You can protest anything. Doesn't mean the fine people here believe the protesters have a legit case and many do not. How many times have I read in this forum "Chauvin was arrested. What are they even protesting?". Yes, there was considerable doubt that these officers would face any repercussions. Yes, rioting is bad. Looting is bad. I don't think I have seen anyone argue otherwise and if people have, they are wrong. 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't agree that most people on PPP don't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. I think there is confusion about legitimacy of feelings and accuracy of perceptions. They are different. Racism is a real thing. That it exists is not debatable. The degree that it exists, the degree to which it is behind behavior in general, and the degree to which it permeates and motivates an entire profession are all debatable. I believe a vast majority of those peacefully protesting legitimately feel what they feel. However, the accuracy of their perception that an entire profession is so pervasively racist that they have no regard whatsoever for black lives is certainly open for honest debate. Of course, we all know it is easier to paint an entire group with the same brush stroke... Not intellectually honest, but easier You literally just said they feel injustice but they're perceptions are inaccurate, did you not? How is that different than "they have a right to protest but have no case"? 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: He needs to put words in your mouth because it's the only way to make his arguments hold up. Shouldn't you be scouring the internet for more beat down porn? Google purple hair liberal gets pwned and tell us what comes up.
3rdnlng Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: While one comment states that they hope he can get the assistance he needs he clearly states that he's a big boy and will endure. It appears to me he's going to be back on his feet regardless if he gets help. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Of course they have the right to protest. You can protest anything. Doesn't mean the fine people here believe the protesters have a legit case and many do not. How many times have I read in this forum "Chauvin was arrested. What are they even protesting?". Yes, there was considerable doubt that these officers would face any repercussions. Yes, rioting is bad. Looting is bad. I don't think I have seen anyone argue otherwise and if people have, they are wrong. A protest does not hurt the people you're trying to help. You are melding a peaceful protest with ginned up rioting and looting. One is not like the other. 1
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: A protest does not hurt the people you're trying to help.You are melding a peaceful protest with ginned up rioting and looting. One is not like the other. I am not but thanks. I'll say it again: rioting bad, looting bad. I hereby condemn rioting and looting to the maximum in accordance with the highest standards of the board as established by Magox.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: You literally just said they feel injustice but they're perceptions are inaccurate, did you not? How is that different than "they have a right to protest but have no case"? I think he said that the accuracy is debatable, not inaccurate. Isn't that the point? An open conversation on what's truly wrong and how it can be addressed? 1
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Shouldn't you be scouring the internet for more beat down porn? Google purple hair liberal gets pwned and tell us what comes up. I can do that AND point out what a phony you are. Both are simple.
Taro T Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: Of course they have the right to protest. You can protest anything. Doesn't mean the fine people here believe the protesters have a legit case and many do not. How many times have I read in this forum "Chauvin was arrested. What are they even protesting?". Yes, there was considerable doubt that these officers would face any repercussions. Yes, rioting is bad. Looting is bad. I don't think I have seen anyone argue otherwise and if people have, they are wrong. To the bolded: don't know. How many times have you read it? And, since we're asking questions: when is the last time a police officer was fired while an investigation into his behavior was ongoing that additional punishments weren't later brought? Honestly can't come up with an example ottomh w/in the past 30 years. Assuming you have some as am presuming there was a reason for having "considerable doubt" that additional punishment (read charges) would be forthcoming.
Back2Buff Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, bbb said: A lot of feet in that video Here is a easier version: 1 2
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I think he said that the accuracy is debatable, not inaccurate. Isn't that the point? An open conversation on what's truly wrong and how it can be addressed? He did. Doesn't that imply that he believes the protest to be of questionable merit? If you don't believe the people have a real gripe, if you believe the stats/facts do not support their argument, it would definitely explain the difference between reactions to protests at home and protests abroad.
Dante Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 23 hours ago, Dante said: One positive out all this bullshite. For all the hard work the left has done at gun grabbing, this has set it back 30 years. In fact, they are going to be more popular than ever. All the fake mass shooting. The constant fear tactics traumatizing young kids in elementary schools with active shooter drills. On and on, all for not. No one in their right mind would give up personal protection now. Here you go https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/1/gun-sales-surge-80-may-research-firm/
Kevbeau Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: This is 4chan....again...right?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: He did. Doesn't that imply that he believes the protest to be of questionable merit? If you don't believe the people have a real gripe, if you believe the stats/facts do not support their argument, it would definitely explain the difference between reactions to protests at home and protests abroad. Do you think that those protesting are absolutely 100% correct on all of their assertions? Or do you think that perhaps they are mistaken about any of it? If there is a middle ground, then it should be found through an open and honest dialog and assessment of the facts available. A legitimate protest absolutely should start a dialog. Unless you believe that protests are meritless as soon as the protesters concede a single point. 3 2
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