Liberal Protests

[Deranged Rhino]

You knew this was coming... 

 

 

It's everywhere in LA.  

Just now, Magox said:

 

I hate to say this, but I am so angered by the vacuous and dishonest arguments that are being made from those on the other side, that I agree with the characterization of battle lines.  I just hope that the majority of the country don't have these lawless views.

 

Agreed. 

 

I'll point out again that we've been at war for 5 years from these same enemies. This is just a new phase of that war, it's out in the open now. Good news is that the enemy does better when it sticks to the shadows. Sunlight kills them. And there's a big 'ol batch of sunshine headed their way in the next five weeks.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Many people learn their racism in the home. It seems Trump did. Not sure how you can disagree honestly 

You're an emotional thinker, and it clouds your ability to reason.  That's why I pointed out that your comments about a 160 year relationship between the Dems and the Klan could be considered reasonable, yet your failure to recognize your own hypocrisy of pointing out Trump's father's actions (real or imagine)  from one hundred years ago as if that matters.

 

I disagree, honestly. 

[spartacus]

11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I dunno, most people are going to these protests with a cardboard sign.  The bad apples are going with hammers, knives and bricks. 

Y

 

Actually they don't have to bring bricks.

Pallets of bricks are spontaneously available at all key riot locations

no planning or organizing involved

[LB3]

23 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

No. 

 

As I've said numerous times throughout this post, the people destroying the property represent a tiny portion of the people out in the streets. I think the rest are there protesting and trying to enact change. Their message has been completely lost though. 

 

The US has a history of violence. It was founded by a rebellion, fought an extremely bloody civil war, and endured similar riots and protesting in the 1960s in the lead up to the civil rights act. Maybe this is the only way to enact real change? I don't know.

 

The current system doesn't work for people of color. They're trying to make positive changes, but unfortunately a small percentage of the people hiding in their ranks are out to cause trouble, and that's all the media is focusing on anymore. Instead of focusing on and giving the peaceful activists a platform, the news reel is filled with anarchists toting hammers, bricks and knives out trying to light anything they can find on fire. 

 

I was trying to say that the issue at this point seems to either be let these people protest, and accept the damage that comes with it from the bad apples, or squash this entirely to save property, silencing the protests as a result.

 

I was trying to say there doesn't seem to be a solution where both sides can win. 

It sounds like you're on the side of letting them protest leaving tens of thousands of lives (which you so comfortably call property) ruined and many innocent killed because of the bad apples. Is that correct?

 

If so, the irony is outstanding.

[reddogblitz]

46 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree. Open warfare suggest the military can be allowed to shoot on site. That's completely insane considering how few people in these crowds are actually breaking the law. 

 

And in all seriousness, does insurance not cover this damage? 

 

I completely agree with you about the media though. As I just said, they're only focusing on the spots where the cops are clashing with protesters because they want to make it seem as though that's what is happening everywhere. 

 

Couple of things about the bolded.

 

1. At least in my dealings with insurance companies over the years I know they never make you completely whole. There's  deductibles, fees, stuff not covered, etc.  Also they are not going to pay for your lost revenue while you were closed for  6 months having your building reparied.

 

2. I care far less about the property damage (even though it sucks to high heaven) than I do the people getting their ass whipped for no good reason. Like the 60 year old 95 pound women in Rochester or the guy that got chased down and knocked out yet they still kicked him in the head in Portland, or the guy that was trying to walk away from a crowd of rioters and they chased him down and whipped his ass.  Or the cop shot in the back of the head in Las Vegas.  Or the shoot out in St. Louis.  This ***** has got to stop.  This is why civilization was started in the first place.  So we can live together in some modicum of peace.  Having Attila the Hun as your neighbor is no way to live. 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

How many black friends do you have?  More importantly, how many times have they been to your house for dinner?

 

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Well, let me see. My brother-in-law is black. My neices and nephews are mixed race. Two of them have black partners. I also do have several close black friends. All of them have been to my house on numerous occasions.

 

Is there a certain number I need to reach for your "quota?"

 

Even though you only asked about blacks, I thought I would mention that I also have a sister-in-law who is Indian. Not Native American like the identity you have, for whatever reason, co-opted in your avatar, but from India.

 

Do I get a charter membership in your "enlightened" club yet?

[Buffalo_Gal]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Makes me wonder how many parental eyes have been opened with the schools locked down during the Wuhan virus "crisis"? And, how many more parents will be either home schooling come fall, or looking at private school options?

 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

Even though you only asked about blacks, I thought I would mention that I also have a sister-in-law who is Indian. Not Native American like the identity you have, for whatever reason, co-opted in your avatar, but from India.

 

Do I get a charter membership in your "enlightened" club yet?

I'm going to need you to cite your entire "not racist" resume in chronological order before we will even consider inviting you into the club.

 

What color are your pets?

[Buffalo_Gal]

13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Its far less weird than having friends who have no skin color.  Where are you finding these people?

erm, you may want to rephrase that because it makes you sound a bit like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

I'm going to need you to cite your entire "not racist" resume in chronological order before we will even consider inviting you into the club.

 

What color are your pets?

 

There, you finally have me. We have a volpino (Italian Spitz). White as a freshly fallen snow...

 

I am now humbled in shame...

[muppy]

4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I went nighty night

 

On the Shirley thing:

1. You posted something absurd

2. I replied "Shirley"

3. You replied "?"

4. I replied "you can't be serious" intending for my two replies to be combined into " Shirley you can't be serious"

5. You seemed to not understand but I thought you were trolling so I gave you credit by saying "two Sheas"

 

On the San Diego thing I was just nervous for my friend @Joe in Winslow but I might be a bit paranoid.  I can't get into detail just in case.

nervous for Joe in Winslow .....nevermind I don't even want to know what that might mean. I might suggest putting down the bong and getting some fresh air no offense.. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

"Dozens have been hurt"  oh AP, you exaggerator you!
 

 

Oh, and "largely peaceful" haha! Another good one from our "msm"!
 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

"Dozens have been hurt"  oh AP, you exaggerator you!
 

 

Oh, and "largely peaceful" haha! Another good one from our "msm"!
 

 

Enemies of the people, shut them down

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Magox]

My my my.

 

Well what do you know?

 

 

 

For the record, I don't want the US military to have to do this.  But if local and state governments cannot protect their citizens and communities, then this is the rational response.

[jrober38]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

No, actually I don't live under a rock. I can easily acknowledge genuine concerns on the part of the black community and the perceptions they have. I have actually written posts to this exact point, if you care to go back and read them. 

 

I am simply asking you to specifically state what you think the problem is and what are your supporting facts?

 

That is a fair question and an open invitation to honest dialogue.

 

Will you accept?

 

I'm going to try and not write you an essay so I'll keep it as short as I can.

 

I think many of the issues afflicting the black community are also faced by people of other backgrounds, including whites. I think the US is set up to hold down the poor and protect the interests of the wealthy. Overtime, these issues appear to have become worse and worse as the rich have had their tax burden reduced for the past 40 years, the poor and middle class have had to pick up the slack. The wealthy and corporations hold way too much power over politicians because of the money they contribute to their campaigns. People in this situation lack education, and ultimately opportunities that are provided to people from higher income brackets and a cycle of poverty takes hold that many people cannot escape. This has been caused by both conservative and liberal ideals. I think conservative tax policies, and trickle down economics are a complete failure, and I think liberal social policies have often wound up being overkill, doing more harm than good to promote the poor's opportunities. More power needs to be given back to the people. 

 

I think the two party system is a joke for 330 million people. Two parties cannot accurately represent the interests of such a large population. 

 

Regarding poverty, I don't care where you come from. If you lack hope an opportunity, it doesn't matter if you're from urban Chicago, rural Mississippi, Mexico or Iraq. You're going to be drawn towards bad things because you have nothing better to do. Whether it's a gang, a white supremacist group, someone crossing the border illegally or an Islamic terrorist organization like ISIS, if you're in horrendous poverty with no way out because you have no job prospects to better yourself, you're going to look for people to blame and break laws because you're desperate, and I think that's what winds up happening all over the US and across much of the world. 

 

For blacks, all of the data is true. Crime is higher, murder rates are higher, etc. As a result they get profiled by police and civilians, and have way more run ins with law enforcement than other demographic groups. I think creating more accountability among cops is a great place to start right now. Make body cams a requirement, and refer all deaths and major injuries while in police custody to an independent 3rd party to review. No more cops policing cops. 

I also think the militarization of the police needs to end. Cops don't look like cops anymore. They look like they're patrolling the streets of Baghdad. Tone down the uniforms, and make them more approachable. Change policing policies so that police have to carry an active role in the communities they serve, possibly through mandatory community service initiatives. Cops need to know community leaders and establish relationships with the people they're policing. If they can't do that then they can't be cops in this environment. 

 

Ultimately I think poverty is the biggest thing that needs to be fixed in America. Richest country in the history of the world and millions of people still go to bed hungry every night. Do more to pick up the low and middle class at the expense of the super rich and I think you'll see less crime all over the country. Give people more opportunities by putting more money in their pockets. Let them live better lives.

 

The world economy is rapidly changing. Artificial intelligence will make millions of jobs obsolete over the coming decade. If you drive a truck, a taxi, serve food, drive a bus, etc, your job will eventually be replaced by a machine. I think guaranteed universal basic income is an interesting concept, otherwise more and more people are going to slip into poverty due to a lack of training and education, which will just make everything worse. The least educated will continue to lose opportunities as technology progresses which will lead to more crime and poverty. 

 

Those are my ideas off the top of my head. Maybe they're right or maybe they're wrong. I don't really know.

 

I'm off to take my daughter for a walk. Will return later to see how you don't agree with anything I've said.

[Buffalo_Gal]

More "peaceful protests"
 

 

Police: Man Dies After Attempting To Break Into North Philadelphia ATM With Explosives, Several ATMs Destroyed Overnight (the video at the link explains the protests)
 

Police are investigating a series of ATM explosions after several loud booms were heard throughout Philadelphia overnight. In all, police say vandals tried to blow up 10 ATMs, and a botched attempt left one person dead Tuesday morning.
 

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[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

More "peaceful protests"
 

 

Police: Man Dies After Attempting To Break Into North Philadelphia ATM With Explosives, Several ATMs Destroyed Overnight (the video at the link explains the protests)
 

Police are investigating a series of ATM explosions after several loud booms were heard throughout Philadelphia overnight. In all, police say vandals tried to blow up 10 ATMs, and a botched attempt left one person dead Tuesday morning.
 

</snip>

 

If Philadelphia burned to the ground, it'd be an improvement.

 

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

If Philadelphia burned to the ground, it'd be an improvement.

 

 

The is the attitude of a rioter - I'm telling Trump on you, Antifa!!!!!!!!

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm going to try and not write you an essay so I'll keep it as short as I can.

 

I think many of the issues afflicting the black community are also faced by people of other backgrounds, including whites. I think the US is set up to hold down the poor and protect the interests of the wealthy. Overtime, these issues appear to have become worse and worse as the rich have had their tax burden reduced for the past 40 years, the poor and middle class have had to pick up the slack. The wealthy and corporations hold way too much power over politicians because of the money they contribute to their campaigns. People in this situation lack education, and ultimately opportunities that are provided to people from higher income brackets and a cycle of poverty takes hold that many people cannot escape. This has been caused by both conservative and liberal ideals. I think conservative tax policies, and trickle down economics are a complete failure, and I think liberal social policies have often wound up being overkill, doing more harm than good to promote the poor's opportunities. More power needs to be given back to the people. 

 

I think the two party system is a joke for 330 million people. Two parties cannot accurately represent the interests of such a large population. 

 

Regarding poverty, I don't care where you come from. If you lack hope an opportunity, it doesn't matter if you're from urban Chicago, rural Mississippi, Mexico or Iraq. You're going to be drawn towards bad things because you have nothing better to do. Whether it's a gang, a white supremacist group, someone crossing the border illegally or an Islamic terrorist organization like ISIS, if you're in horrendous poverty with no way out because you have no job prospects to better yourself, you're going to look for people to blame and break laws because you're desperate, and I think that's what winds up happening all over the US and across much of the world. 

 

For blacks, all of the data is true. Crime is higher, murder rates are higher, etc. As a result they get profiled by police and civilians, and have way more run ins with law enforcement than other demographic groups. I think creating more accountability among cops is a great place to start right now. Make body cams a requirement, and refer all deaths and major injuries while in police custody to an independent 3rd party to review. No more cops policing cops. 

I also think the militarization of the police needs to end. Cops don't look like cops anymore. They look like they're patrolling the streets of Baghdad. Tone down the uniforms, and make them more approachable. Change policing policies so that police have to carry an active role in the communities they serve, possibly through mandatory community service initiatives. Cops need to know community leaders and establish relationships with the people they're policing. If they can't do that then they can't be cops in this environment. 

 

Ultimately I think poverty is the biggest thing that needs to be fixed in America. Richest country in the history of the world and millions of people still go to bed hungry every night. Do more to pick up the low and middle class at the expense of the super rich and I think you'll see less crime all over the country. Give people more opportunities by putting more money in their pockets. Let them live better lives.

 

The world economy is rapidly changing. Artificial intelligence will make millions of jobs obsolete over the coming decade. If you drive a truck, a taxi, serve food, drive a bus, etc, your job will eventually be replaced by a machine. I think guaranteed universal basic income is an interesting concept, otherwise more and more people are going to slip into poverty due to a lack of training and education, which will just make everything worse. The least educated will continue to lose opportunities as technology progresses which will lead to more crime and poverty. 

 

Those are my ideas off the top of my head. Maybe they're right or maybe they're wrong. I don't really know.

 

I'm off to take my daughter for a walk. Will return later to see how you don't agree with anything I've said.

 

In all sincerity, thank you for the reply. Just a cursory glance tells me I agree with a number of things you have written and disagree with a number of things. I also have to run to get some work done. However, I wanted to say I appreciate the response and I will respond in kind.