Liberal Protests

[ComradeKayAdams]

I’ve been reading many pages of this thread with a deep sense of sadness over what’s happening to our country. A lot of good points are being made, but I wanted to add another perspective here that hasn’t been mentioned: the leadership void within the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. Specifically Bernie Sanders, who is still the de facto leader of the movement. The youth and various left-leaning movements like antifa and possibly BLM are predominantly instigating the rioting, the looting, and the violence. In this way, Bernie may have a larger influence on controlling the direction of the unrest than any other politician right now, including Trump and Biden. What I would like Sanders to do is to publicly praise all of the PEACEFUL protesting in honor of George Floyd while simultaneously condemning parts of the left for their destructive behavior. Additionally, I’d like Bernie to call for new national legislation in the following 5 areas: police conduct reform, mandatory oversight of law enforcement institutions from neutral third parties, increased mental health services for police officers, an end to the war on drugs (or at least marijuana) that disproportionately hampers blacks, and broad changes to the pipeline that connects our interventionist foreign policy and the increasing militarization of our domestic police force.

 

An aside on antifa: I ran into a few of these folks during my 2016+2020 Bernie campaign volunteering efforts (and also during some of my animal rights activism activities). Or at least I think I did, judging by their clothes, tattoos, and conversations. They were not very helpful, to put it mildly, when it came to canvassing. They didn’t come across as interested in the political process very much. Violence and delegitimizing American institutions are known to be their primary focus. There is no uniform political philosophy that they subscribe to, beyond anything that is “anti-fascist.” Most are either communists, hard socialists, anarchists, or short-term social democrats with long-term goals of pushing the country beyond capitalism. I suppose that would be a unifying political philosophy of theirs if they actually have one: anti-capitalism. They are politically to the extreme left and much further left than Bernie’s platform of mainstream European-style social democracy. I don’t personally know much at all about their organizational structure, though I do hear rumors from sources close to the scene that they are well-connected at the local level and have contact with other local cells around the country. It is not a top-down organization, but I would not be surprised at all to later learn they were being funded by higher-up Soros types and that they had been nationally coordinating for these riots all along.  

 

So here is my message for my left-leaning friends on this message board: it’s well past time for some deep self-reflection and impositions of quality control on our political side. Are we advancing public policy? Are we helping to defeat Donald Trump by persuading independents and energizing the base? Are we changing the hearts and minds of those that fuel American institutional racism? “No,” “no,” and “no” would be my answers at this very moment. How can we change course? Well for starters, let’s start acting rationally again. Emphatically call out the looting and the rioting. Castigate antifa. Stop suspecting Russia for everything. Stop fixating on the random annoying minutiae of Trump’s speeches or behavior and start focusing on the deeper issues that plague the country. I’d also stop apologizing for Biden’s shortcomings and demand he step up to the plate as a leader during these recent crises (or step aside at the convention).

 

That’s all I have to say on this subject for now. I think I need a small break from news and politics. I originally figured this type of violence and senseless destruction could erupt around the Democratic convention if Bernie lost or following the November election if Trump won. But with the pandemic quarantine restlessness, deep economic anxieties from the pandemic fallout and from failed neoliberal policies, the rising pre-summer heat, and of course George Floyd’s murder…here we are. It may likely get much worse, too, before things eventually get much better. Please stay safe, everyone.

[Keukasmallies]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Pocket change, child

 

Now there's an incisive response to a direct simple question.  

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

12 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

Well, I am glad to see you admit that Democrats don't exists.  They may call themself that, but they are violent marxists now.  They should just call themselves the Bolshevik Party at this point.  

Bolsheviks did not believe in voting rights, Democrats are fighting hard to expand democracy. It's really coming down to you either support Trump, or you support democracy. 

 

Trump now threatening martial laws as he tries to enflame the situation. 

[4merper4mer]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

If she truly is what you say she is, I think she'll be ok.

I don't think it is her but if it is I'm worried about you being ok.  It's probably a coincidence that a woman from SD with a red head for an Avatar showed up on this board after all that stuff almost happened to you.  Probably.

[SectionC3]

10 hours ago, dubs said:

nope. You are a !@#$ disgrace and a clown. Only a diseased human could see what’s going on and only think about the president. Get a life. 

Who said I think only about the president?  Actually I don’t think about him all that much.  Most of my time for free thought is dedicated to protestors who are rightfully angry, the overwhelming majority of law enforcement who are good people and who do their impossible jobs for the right reasons, and the sadness I feel that our nation is so rawly divided.  Only then do I think about our loser president and his failure to even attempt to address this situation. 

52 minutes ago, Wacka said:

I like how the libtards ignore   WV Senator Robert Byrd, who WAS a member of the KKK. He and Gore's father led the fight against the  1963 Civil Rights bill. which was assed because of the Republican support. Oh I forgot Slick Willy's mentor.

 

Robert Byrd was a scumbag.  He’s the democratic version of Mitch McConnell.  Both bad dudes. 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So, you are trying to paper over the president's racism by saying, "Well, everyone does it!" 

Right? 

 

No. What I am saying is that people like you tend to look down on the rest of society from a lofty place of self-perceived intellectual and moral superiority.

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bolsheviks did not believe in voting rights, Democrats are fighting hard to expand democracy. It's really coming down to you either support Trump, or you support democracy. 

 

Trump now threatening martial laws as he tries to enflame the situation. 

 

I hate to say it, but that’s where we’re headed.  I don’t care if someone votes Democrat or Republican or something else.  I do care if they vote for Trump.  He is a disgrace to democracy. 

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, RealKayAdams said:

I’ve been reading many pages of this thread with a deep sense of sadness over what’s happening to our country. A lot of good points are being made, but I wanted to add another perspective here that hasn’t been mentioned: the leadership void within the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. Specifically Bernie Sanders, who is still the de facto leader of the movement. The youth and various left-leaning movements like antifa and possibly BLM are predominantly instigating the rioting, the looting, and the violence. In this way, Bernie may have a larger influence on controlling the direction of the unrest than any other politician right now, including Trump and Biden. What I would like Sanders to do is to publicly praise all of the PEACEFUL protesting in honor of George Floyd while simultaneously condemning parts of the left for their destructive behavior. Additionally, I’d like Bernie to call for new national legislation in the following 5 areas: police conduct reform, mandatory oversight of law enforcement institutions from neutral third parties, increased mental health services for police officers, an end to the war on drugs (or at least marijuana) that disproportionately hampers blacks, and broad changes to the pipeline that connects our interventionist foreign policy and the increasing militarization of our domestic police force.

 

An aside on antifa: I ran into a few of these folks during my 2016+2020 Bernie campaign volunteering efforts (and also during some of my animal rights activism activities). Or at least I think I did, judging by their clothes, tattoos, and conversations. They were not very helpful, to put it mildly, when it came to canvassing. They didn’t come across as interested in the political process very much. Violence and delegitimizing American institutions are known to be their primary focus. There is no uniform political philosophy that they subscribe to, beyond anything that is “anti-fascist.” Most are either communists, hard socialists, anarchists, or short-term social democrats with long-term goals of pushing the country beyond capitalism. I suppose that would be a unifying political philosophy of theirs if they actually have one: anti-capitalism. They are politically to the extreme left and much further left than Bernie’s platform of mainstream European-style social democracy. I don’t personally know much at all about their organizational structure, though I do hear rumors from sources close to the scene that they are well-connected at the local level and have contact with other local cells around the country. It is not a top-down organization, but I would not be surprised at all to later learn they were being funded by higher-up Soros types and that they had been nationally coordinating for these riots all along.  

 

So here is my message for my left-leaning friends on this message board: it’s well past time for some deep self-reflection and impositions of quality control on our political side. Are we advancing public policy? Are we helping to defeat Donald Trump by persuading independents and energizing the base? Are we changing the hearts and minds of those that fuel American institutional racism? “No,” “no,” and “no” would be my answers at this very moment. How can we change course? Well for starters, let’s start acting rationally again. Emphatically call out the looting and the rioting. Castigate antifa. Stop suspecting Russia for everything. Stop fixating on the random annoying minutiae of Trump’s speeches or behavior and start focusing on the deeper issues that plague the country. I’d also stop apologizing for Biden’s shortcomings and demand he step up to the plate as a leader during these recent crises (or step aside at the convention).

 

That’s all I have to say on this subject for now. I think I need a small break from news and politics. I originally figured this type of violence and senseless destruction could erupt around the Democratic convention if Bernie lost or following the November election if Trump won. But with the pandemic quarantine restlessness, deep economic anxieties from the pandemic fallout and from failed neoliberal policies, the rising pre-summer heat, and of course George Floyd’s murder…here we are. It may likely get much worse, too, before things eventually get much better. Please stay safe, everyone.

 

It's an intentional leadership void from the left.  They neither want to alienate their base, considering there's an important election coming up, nor do they want to turn the violence on themselves.

[Wacka]

Yesterday's phrase that pays was "He's in the bunker"

Todays is "He's a racist." 

what's tomorrow's?

 

You can tell the Soros puppets, They all utter the same phrase after they get their  marching orders at 9 AM.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Wacka

[dubs]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bolsheviks did not believe in voting rights, Democrats are fighting hard to expand democracy. It's really coming down to you either support Trump, or you support democracy. 

 

Trump now threatening martial laws as he tries to enflame the situation. 

 

You are a bozo of epic proportions.  You are also a Bolshevik.  Deal with it.

 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

 

You are a bozo of epic proportions.  You are also a Bolshevik.  Deal with it.

 

 

 

Hoax. 

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's an intentional leadership void from the left.  They neither want to alienate their base, considering there's an important election coming up, nor do they want to turn the violence on themselves.

 

Yeah sure that’s it.  The nation is burning and the guy in the Oval Office twiddles his thumbs.  But the left is the only side that is failing us.  Whatevs. 

[B-Man]

 

After watching Democrat governors flail, President Trump steps in to quell the riots

by Andrea Widburg

 

Original Article

 

Before Monday, President Trump kept a low profile regarding the riots. He wasn’t invisible; he just wasn’t putting himself front and center. That changed dramatically on Monday. Trump scolded governors who allowed rioters to gain control in their states, announced that he would be mobilizing “all available federal resources” to end the riots in Democrat-run cities, and took a historic walk across the street from the White House (which inflamed the Trump haters). 

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's an intentional leadership void from the left.  They neither want to alienate their base, considering there's an important election coming up, nor do they want to turn the violence on themselves.

 

This is exactly right. They literally will let businesses be destroyed, people be injured and killed, and cities burn than to act in any way that would be percived as politically disadvantageous for them.

[B-Man]

Trump is right, antifa are terrorists; they always were

Washington Examiner, by Editorial

 

Original Article

 

The term “anti-fascist” began as a lie. It remains a lie today.

 

Clueless commentators, ignorant of its history, have been known to refer to the "antifa" movement as “strictly principled anti-fascists,” or a group that “protests fascism.” In fact, this is a movement of violent extremists whose philosophy traces back to the early 20th century.

 

The riots now raging in U.S. cities are not about police misconduct. They haven’t been for many days. The senseless and callous police killing of George Floyd inspired peaceful protests at first, but now it has become an excuse for a troupe of professional revolutionaries and marauders. They use these incidents in order to flex their muscle

 

 

 

[dubs]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Hoax. 

 

Yeah sure that’s it.  The nation is burning and the guy in the Oval Office twiddles his thumbs.  But the left is the only side that is failing us.  Whatevs. 

 

It's not even the void in leadership, it's the people that get fooled into being useful idiots and allow the void to exist.  Take SectionC, Tibs, Gary, and the rest of these clowns.  They ignore every single piece of data and any event that happened before Trump got in office and instead are told to believe that one thing and one thing only is the cause of every issue in this country, Trump.  They are an embarrassment to human evolution.

 

 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

Trump is right, antifa are terrorists; they always were

Washington Examiner, by Editorial

 

Original Article

 

The term “anti-fascist” began as a lie. It remains a lie today.

 

Clueless commentators, ignorant of its history, have been known to refer to the "antifa" movement as “strictly principled anti-fascists,” or a group that “protests fascism.” In fact, this is a movement of violent extremists whose philosophy traces back to the early 20th century.

 

The riots now raging in U.S. cities are not about police misconduct. They haven’t been for many days. The senseless and callous police killing of George Floyd inspired peaceful protests at first, but now it has become an excuse for a troupe of professional revolutionaries and marauders. They use these incidents in order to flex their muscle

 

This is true. However, people also can't lose site of the fact that there is an equal share of blame to the common criminals we see in video after video. Not all the violence is agitated by ANTIFA and like minded people. 

[B-Man]

'Institutional racism’ is the new blood libel

by Seth Grossman

 

Original Article

 

The riots that began in Minneapolis are the intended consequence of the fake history dished out by our media, Hollywood, and most colleges and public schools for the past 50 years.

 

This new “institutional racism” falsely blames all whites for every injustice -- especially whites who are Christian, Republican or who love America.

 

These whites are the new Jews. Minneapolis is the new Kishinev. In 1903, Kishinev was part of Russia and ruled by an emperor, the Czar. Just before Easter, a non-Jewish girl there was depressed and swallowed poison.

 

 

Much more at the link:

 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I hate to say it, but that’s where we’re headed.  I don’t care if someone votes Democrat or Republican or something else.  I do care if they vote for Trump.  He is a disgrace to democracy. 

He is as an avoid opponent of democracy as we have ever had in that office. I hate it when people try and say "The people put him in office.." Ummm, no, the anti-democratic EC did. No mandate from the people of this country. 

[B-Man]

 

At Least Five Police Officers Reportedly Shot, One On Life Support As Rioters And Law Enforcement Battle Across The Country.

 

 

 

Former Antifa member says group’s acts are ‘very definition of domestic terrorism.’

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

 

It's not even the void in leadership, it's the people that get fooled into being useful idiots and allow the void to exist.  Take SectionC, Tibs, Gary, and the rest of these clowns.  They ignore every single piece of data and any event that happened before Trump got in office and instead are told to believe that one thing and one thing only is the cause of every issue in this country, Trump.  They are an embarrassment to human evolution.

 

It was one thing to see the partisan effort to single Trump out for blame on everything regarding the coronavirus. However, in the midst of criminals looting, vandalizing, setting fires, destroying communities, assulting, and killing, to see people fixated on Trump is beyond sad....