Beerball Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Nah. TD and 2 pointer is essentially TD and another TD (like 4th and goal). Kick that chip shot FG and the Gronk TD wins. Denver's Offense gave up right after the second Q. NE knew they were going to get another shot (got 2). Twas sarcasm, I think you kick the figgy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 BTW I was on a plane going from NH to Orlando and everyone had the game on their phones, tablets and laptops. You should have heard the collective cheers to groans, then whining. Really? So lots of people were paying those outrageous airline wi-fi fees? Surprised at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Brady vs Bills - 13 hits, 11 hurries, 1 INT (plus 1 negated by penalty), 20 pts, 18 1st downs, 1 TD, 35.1 qbr (no Mario) at home Brady vs Broncos -16 hits, 18 hurries, 2 INT, 18 pts, 20 1st downs, 1 TD, 56.4 qbr on the road It isn't as if it was night and day. likely, Wade was the one who took notes from Rex's MNF D as well. I doubt Wade used our blitzing scheme. DEN blitzed less than any Phillips D since 2007, got most pressure on Brady in playoff game since 2007 SB https://t.co/gMXHM9FAtw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 For years everything has bounced the Pats way. Yesterday wasnt the case at all. Gronk screaming for a PI in the endzone when he was covered by three guys and no PI and didnt get the call haha. And Gostkowski missing the extra point was huge. Something that doesnt happen to them happened. And going for it on 4th down when the normally convert they didnt- they should of got the 3 points. Yesterday they got a nice dose of their own medicine. Oh and wasnt it lovely to see Tommy boy get the snot knocked out of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Manning should retire after the Super Bowl no matter what. Brady looked tired and old yesterday. I think age and injury caught up to the Pats this year. They were lights out first half of the season and hit a very big wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Meh. He's gonna coach them to 12 wins and a playoff berth next year. It ain't over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I couldn't believe they didn't kick the FG. It was dumb. Why play for a tie? What does their OL look like going forward? I know they had some injuries. If healthy and exclusive of FA and draft, is that line still bad? My favorite play was when they put in an extra lineman and Miller just ran around him to hit Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Among the rule proposals unveiled by the Competition Committee is a suggestion by the Patriots to move the spot of extra point kicks back from the 2-yard line to the 25-yard line. Patriots coach Bill Belichick has said several times that he believes extra points have become so easy that they’re all but meaningless, so it’s not surprising that it was the Patriots who proposed this new rule. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/patriots-propose-making-extra-points-harder/ Good suggestion hoodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 That was one of the worst QB'd conference championship games I've ever witnessed. Meanwhile Cam looked unstoppable. I think Denver's D keeps them in it for a while, but Carolina's D is no joke either, and I think Denver struggles to score more than 17 points, and loses by at least 10. I have been wrong about this before but it just seems different this time. Brady will be 40 next year. Guys in their 40s are not supposed to play football in the NFL at a high level. They better fix that line or he will not make it thru the season next year. Denver's D will keep them in it for awhile. I just don't see Manning making enough plays to beat Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I would have taken the 3, twice. That would leave them behind by 2. It's just math. Sometimes arrogance can come back and bite you, Bill. Tough loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Belichick's hubris beat the Patriots yesterday. Like he's done so many times, he forgoes what should be an easy call to do what he thinks his team can do at will. 2/3 of the time he gets away with it. How many 4th and 2's have we seen near their own 40 yard line that they pick up? Plenty, but not what you do playing against the #1 defense in the NFL. If he sets the arrogance aside, the field goal was the easy call and the Patriots would have been playing for their 2nd Superbowl in a row. Instead, weepy Tom Brady can watch it from his sofa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I couldn't believe they didn't kick the FG. It was dumb. Why play for a tie? What does their OL look like going forward? I know they had some injuries. If healthy and exclusive of FA and draft, is that line still bad? My favorite play was when they put in an extra lineman and Miller just ran around him to hit Brady. Ha ha oh yeah, that was sweet. Also the Pats OL was holding and tackling and other nasty skullduggery almost every play. How sweet it was that the Broncs made it not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 http://nyt4thdownbot.com Pretty clear statistics says Belichick made the right call, even if it didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I couldn't believe they didn't kick the FG. It was dumb. Why play for a tie? What does their OL look like going forward? I know they had some injuries. If healthy and exclusive of FA and draft, is that line still bad? My favorite play was when they put in an extra lineman and Miller just ran around him to hit Brady. The big loss on OL was Nate Solder at LT. Solder is a far better LT than Vollmer, who moved over from the right to replace him. And Vollmer is a far better RT than Marcus Cannon on the right. So practically speaking, the Pats were playing backups at both tackle positions. They were also missing a lot of their run game with Blount. But you know, normally Belichick has been genius at cobbling together a workable OL line out of scrap iron and baling wire, helped by Brady's quick release. I haven't gone back and watched the film but it seems to me a lot of the pressure on Brady was coverage pressure. Whatever the Denver secondary did, they did well enough to confuse Brady, lure him into 2 picks, then cause him to hesitate enough for their front 7 to get there. The Superbowl will show if the Denver D is as good as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 http://nyt4thdownbot.com Pretty clear statistics says Belichick made the right call, even if it didn't work out. If you believe the bot is always right even though it doesn't account for the team they're facing and the fact that the Pats o-line was playing terribly and the fact that Denver couldn't move the ball ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 @AroundTheNFL Bill Belichick: 'No hesitation' in skipping FG tries http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628073/article/belichick-no-hesitation-in-skipping-fg-tries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) http://nyt4thdownbot.com Pretty clear statistics says Belichick made the right call, even if it didn't work out. I think this is a clear illustration of the limitations of relying exclusively on statistics to make game-day decisions. Overall, statistically, sure it's the right call. Yesterday day, the Pats OL was being manhandled and mutilated by the Denver D, taking the sure® points might have been the situationally best decision. The Bot brings up a good point that I haven't seen discussed yet - Kubiak's decision to punt, 4th and 1 on the Pats 46 with the Broncos leading by 5. In the end, they squeaked by, but if they could have converted, an extra 7 or 6 or 3 points would have come in mightly handy at the end. What does lacking faith in your playcalling and players to get 1 yard in that circumstance say? If the Pats had pulled it off, that is surely one of the calls that would be second-guessed in Denver this am. But they didn't, so it isn't. Edited January 25, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 This just in! Bill Belichick demoted to d-line coach, pats hire Doug Marrone as coach, John Bon Jovi as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 If you believe the bot is always right even though it doesn't account for the team they're facing and the fact that the Pats o-line was playing terribly and the fact that Denver couldn't move the ball ... Which they take into account in the details in each call. For example: http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213 The coach and I agree that going for it is the thing to do here, but you may be thinking it makes sense to attempt a field goal. That would be the right call if you think the Patriots chances of converting on fourth down are less than 58 percent. But based on my analysis, Id give the Patriots a 68 percent chance to get a first down here. There are very few situations I personally wouldn't go for it on fourth and one. The Patriots were averaging 4 yards per offensive play in that game, including incompletions and sacks. Yes, Denver's defense was playing excellent but it was still more likely than not that they would pick up a first down. I'm thrilled they didn't but it was the correct call. I think this is a clear illustration of the limitations of relying exclusively on statistics to make game-day decisions. Overall, statistically, sure it's the right call. Yesterday day, the Pats OL was being manhandled and mutilated by the Denver D, taking the sure® points might have been the situationally best decision. Even with getting manhandled the Patriots we're still averaging four yards per offensive play and they needed one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Which they take into account in the details in each call. For example: http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213 There are very few situations I personally wouldn't go for it on fourth and one. The Patriots were averaging 4 yards per offensive play in that game, including incompletions and sacks. Yes, Denver's defense was playing excellent but it was still more likely than not that they would pick up a first down. I'm thrilled they didn't but it was the correct call. Even with getting manhandled the Patriots we're still averaging four yards per offensive play and they needed one. The bigger point to me was that Denver had gone completely ultra conservative on offense. They were unlikely to get another first down and NE would have gotten it back only down 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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