Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The NFL is one of the weirder old boys networks in existence. It routinely fires these guys because they're not good but rarely expand their horizons beyond the already discarded pool of talent. It's like some kind of self-perpetuating misery machine. I was having very similar thoughts but you expressed it well. Lovie Smith, though, is a bit of a strange case. 9 years with the Bears, 3 playoffs, 1 superbowl appearance with the likes of Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, and Jay Cutler at QB. I don't follow all the details but I figure there must be something there. Chicago always seemed to make very strange QB and personnel decisions. I think Lovie's main problem was staying too long in an organization that wasn't all that. But I really don't follow da Bears enough to have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Gase is also Sexton's client. And if the media is to be believed every team is about to offer him a bajillion dollar contract - just like Marrone! When I saw how similar the media reports of Marrone and Gase were I had a pretty good guess who his agent was. Yup. Sexton. Not sure about the Lovie Smith firing either. It did seem like he had that team headed in the right direction. I wonder if there was some major disagreement with the front office or some kind of power struggle? Somebody needs to remind Disney about the journalists' code of ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 i just saw Cardale Jones hired Sexton to be his agent. Good decision if he wants hype. Haha He won't have much else working for him. Bust waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 He won't have much else working for him. Bust waiting to happen. a bust in Canton amirite?! I kid I kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Somebody needs to remind Disney about the journalists' code of ethics. Schefter and Mort are too busy enjoying Dominoes on New Years Eve to bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hiring a coach that likes crab legs is a must. No, just a coach who likes to BUY crab legs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Lovie's a good coach. I don't understand that one .... smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 a bust in Canton amirite?! I kid I kid LOL!!! Weren't you on the very crowded Cardale bandwagon last January?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) LOL!!! Weren't you on the very crowded Cardale bandwagon last January?? just kidding. I know he has a bust factor to him but I think that's only applicable if he's drafted high. I doubt that happens now. i am on the "take a flyer on him" bandwagon but he's a project, not high pick. I would be thrilled if they took him in the 4th or later. I still like his potential a lot. Don't want to derail the Lovie thread though, apologies. Edited January 7, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 This is so true. Every GM/owner of a struggling team thinks that another struggling team's freshly fired coach will be the guy that turns their fortunes around, as though every Rex Ryan or Jack Del Rio is a Bellichick or Carroll waiting to blossom. It's a bizarre system. Just remember, Belli-boy and Carroll were both cast-off failures at one point. One of the greatest advantages they had was coming into organizations with very limited prior success. It allowed them to develop the organization gradually. Rex and others like him come into an organization that is pressing hard to get to the playoffs. Sometimes that pressure induces foolish decisions. This past season, we could look at several signings as indicators of that type of thinking. We signed Percy Harvin to a contract which he was unlikely to fulfill based on injury history alone. We paid Felton like the best FB in the NFL only to have him play a minority of the offensive snaps. These types of moves reflect the organizational desperation. You could even argue that they overpaid for a TE who is injury prone (although I am not critical of that move). On the other hand, it appears that the Bills have learned to divorce themselves from previous mistakes (demoting Manuel and trading Cassel are two prime examples). This is akin to NE benching Bledsoe after his recovery and Seattle ditching Flynn as soon as it was obvious that Wilson was the man. Last off season was entertaining. This off season will be much more educational. Back to the Bucs...I don't think they are tearing it down. I think they are going to go with Koetter and let him get a DC. Since they already are running with 43 personnel, perhaps they hire the Schwartz!? They are on the right track in the most important department - QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Rosenthal: Bucs have the top coaching vacancy After Wednesday night's surprise firing, there are seven coaching positions still to be filled. Gregg Rosenthal examines them and concludes that the Buccaneers' opening is the most attractive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 This past season, we could look at several signings as indicators of that type of thinking. We signed Percy Harvin to a contract which he was unlikely to fulfill based on injury history alone. We paid Felton like the best FB in the NFL only to have him play a minority of the offensive snaps. These types of moves reflect the organizational desperation. You could even argue that they overpaid for a TE who is injury prone (although I am not critical of that move). Part of that is the fact that any new coach needs time to evaluate his player's strengths and weaknesses and figure out how they fit what the coach wants to do. That takes all off-season and through camp and pre-season, but most FA signings happen early in the process, adding to the risk of signing a guy you don't end up using as much as you originally thought. Another reason why continuity is critical to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just remember, Belli-boy and Carroll were both cast-off failures at one point. One of the greatest advantages they had was coming into organizations with very limited prior success. It allowed them to develop the organization gradually. Rex and others like him come into an organization that is pressing hard to get to the playoffs. Sometimes that pressure induces foolish decisions. Actually, it turned out that BB and Carroll were excellent coaches after all. None of these other retreads have shown that this is the case with them. They just get fired again. Rex came into a Jets team and that went right to the playoffs. Since then, he has done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Classy @nflstroud #Bucs informed Lovie Smith he was fired when he received a phone call at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Dirk "shiv the mofo" Koetter. Might be, but Why? In Atlanta, didn't he take over a top-10 offense with a franchise QB at the helm and turn it into a top-20 offense (on points, which is the, um, POINT of an offense)? In Jacksonville, what exactly did he accomplish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Koetter was a crappy HC in college. He coached the team I root for, ASU. His offenses were good and he was clearly a good offensive mind but he was one of those guys whose teams were bad and he never seemed like he knew what he was doing. Maybe part of it was recruiting. He's several years older now after working in the NFL so maybe now he's ready. But I would predict he's like a lot of good coordinators that they are not good managers and CEOs and don't have what it takes to be a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 It's hilarious Bills fans are knocking Smith as a coach. He has won 9 or more games 5 times; went to SB with Rex Grossman; & went to a title game with Jay Cutler (cut let's only time making the playoffs in his entire career). We such are lucky we didn't have a bum like that coaching the Bills! Might be, but Why? In Atlanta, didn't he take over a top-10 offense with a franchise QB at the helm and turn it into a top-20 offense (on points, which is the, um, POINT of an offense)? In Jacksonville, what exactly did he accomplish? I think it's about time white coaches finally get some jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Sirius also said that Leslie Frazier is out as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 @JayGlazer Talked to Lovie Smith, to say he was blindsided is an understatement!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 @JayGlazer Talked to Lovie Smith, to say he was blindsided is an understatement!!! Blinsided?? He lost 5 of his last 6 games. $ of the losses were to the Colts, Rams, Bears, Saints--none of which finished with more than 7 wins. I guess anything looks like an "upswing" when you compare it to a 2 win season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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