3rdand12 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I absolutely realize that. And I hope you realize I'm not arguing he's a number 1 WR or that the Bills should overpay to keep him. I think he can be a solid #2 in the right system (which might be Roman's to be honest) and he could be a great slot guy on a loaded team. 2a 2b whatever it takes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 No, Hogan was not a much more dangerous vertical option... at least not when Woods wasn't playing with tears in his groin. Oh.......so the 10.8 yards per catch average in 2014 was more reflective of his downfield prowess? I'm no Hogan fan, but just off the top of my head I remember that he caught long bomb TD's versus Miami and Tennessee and another sure one went right thru his hands against Dallas. Woods had none of those......though I recall him catching a roughly 20 yard TD on a perfectly thrown pass from EJ. Those are the kind of throws Woods needs to be effective......he's JAG. If you don't remember these things then that might explain your shaky takes in the past year plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Oh.......so the 10.8 yards per catch average in 2014 was more reflective of his downfield prowess? I'm no Hogan fan, but just off the top of my head I remember that he caught long bomb TD's versus Miami and Tennessee and another sure one went right thru his hands against Dallas. Woods had none of those......though I recall him catching a roughly 20 yard TD on a perfectly thrown pass from EJ. Those are the kind of throws Woods needs to be effective......he's JAG. If you don't remember these things then that might explain your shaky takes in the past year plus. It also has to do with the route trees the wr's are asked to run correct? Maybe Woods was not asked to run the deeper routes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 It also has to do with the route trees the wr's are asked to run correct? Maybe Woods was not asked to run the deeper routes That would really only strengthen his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 No i mean it is not that Woods cant do it....was just not asked to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I absolutely realize that. And I hope you realize I'm not arguing he's a number 1 WR or that the Bills should overpay to keep him. I think he can be a solid #2 in the right system (which might be Roman's to be honest) and he could be a great slot guy on a loaded team. You use the term "great" a lot. A great slot guy is a 100+ catch guy who excels at RAC. I guess I don't see that Welker/Edelman type........I see a tweener who a loaded team would seek to replace with somebody more like an actual slot WR. Like dave said.......he's got a Bill Brooks skillset.......but unfortunately that means a lot less nowadays in a league loaded with much bigger and faster WR's.......and bigger and better corners....... than during Billy's day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) No i mean it is not that Woods cant do it....was just not asked to do it Why would you ask a deep threat to not go deep? I love Woods, btw. I love his fire and his passion. I hope he improves. But I don't think he's nearly the receiving threat he needs to be to remain a Bill. Edited May 18, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Why would you ask a deep threat to not go deep? I love Woods, btw. I love his fire and his passion. I hope he improves. But I don't think he's nearly the receiving threat he needs to be to remain a Bill. I think time is gonna tell this year...... He def is the number 2 on this team right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I think time is gonna tell this year...... He def is the number 2 on this team right now Well of course. He's not so limited that he needs to be cut, but he's not good enough to be safe, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I'm no Hogan fan, but just off the top of my head I remember that he caught long bomb TD's versus Miami and Tennessee and another sure one went right thru his hands against Dallas. The circus catch on an Orton throw it up and hope to set up the win v Minnesota in 2014 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 2a 2b whatever it takes Nice Mr. Mom reference The circus catch on an Orton throw it up and hope to set up the win v Minnesota in 2014 too. Followed by Uncle Rico flinging the steak at Sammy for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Oh.......so the 10.8 yards per catch average in 2014 was more reflective of his downfield prowess? I'm no Hogan fan, but just off the top of my head I remember that he caught long bomb TD's versus Miami and Tennessee and another sure one went right thru his hands against Dallas. Woods had none of those......though I recall him catching a roughly 20 yard TD on a perfectly thrown pass from EJ. Those are the kind of throws Woods needs to be effective......he's JAG. If you don't remember these things then that might explain your shaky takes in the past year plus. Again, how do you reconcile the fact that Woods averaged 14.7 YPC as a rookie and caught a 57 yard pass? As for Hogan's "long bomb" TD's last year, he had a 38 yarder while Woods had a 32 yarder. BFD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 You use the term "great" a lot. Yeah, I think we've established I'm a glass half full guy. You're a guy who's glass was half empty... until Shady knocked it off the table and Woods was too slow to catch it before it broke;) Different strokes and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Yeah, I think we've established I'm a glass half full guy. You're a guy who's glass was half empty... until Shady knocked it off the table and Woods was too slow to catch it before it broke;) Different strokes and all. I'm a glass-has-6oz-in-it guy. It's a hobby.......I don't need to pretend a situation with a sports team is better or worse than it is. Robert Woods and "great" don't belong in the same sentence about the game of football. And how can you say you are an optimist and then want an escape clause for injury on Shady from a bet YOU proposed? Skairt......just skairt. Again, how do you reconcile the fact that Woods averaged 14.7 YPC as a rookie and caught a 57 yard pass? As for Hogan's "long bomb" TD's last year, he had a 38 yarder while Woods had a 32 yarder. BFD. Don't get hung up on Hogan......yeah he got open downfield last year when Woods did not........but he was a journeyman pickup......Woods was an early second round pick. The fact is that in 3 full years Woods has not contributed as a downfield receiver. That's because he is a small receiver with 4.5-4.6 speed.......he lacks the traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) I'm a glass-has-6oz-in-it guy. It's a hobby.......I don't need to pretend a situation with a sports team is better or worse than it is. Robert Woods and "great" don't belong in the same sentence about the game of football. And how can you say you are an optimist and then want an escape clause for injury on Shady from a bet YOU proposed? Skairt......just skairt. Disagree about the bolded. Woods is objectionably a great blocker. I'd argue he's also on his way to becoming a great route runner if he's not already there. And as for the bet, you're the one who claimed McCoy will be out of football (not just off the roster) before he turns 30. I never said career ending injuries aren't possible for McCoy, in fact I stated my position quite clearly: barring a career ending injury, Shady will be on the Bills' roster for the 16' and '17 seasons. His contract makes this quite evident. You disagreed. As far as I'm concerned our bet is still on. If he's not on the roster in '17 I'll happily fulfill my end of the wager. Edited May 19, 2016 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Disagree about the bolded. Woods is objectionably a great blocker. I'd argue he's also on his way to becoming a great route runner if he's not already there. And as for the bet, you're the one who claimed McCoy will be out of football (not just off the roster) before he turns 30. I never said career ending injuries aren't possible for McCoy, in fact I stated my position quite clearly: barring a career ending injury, Shady will be on the Bills' roster for the 16' and '17 seasons. His contract makes this quite evident. You disagreed. As far as I'm concerned our bet is still on. If he's not on the roster in '17 I'll happily fulfill my end of the wager. Eat like 8 million in dead money to save the 9th and lose out on the player. Yeah that's a pretty safe bet, can I get in on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Eat like 8 million in dead money to save the 9th and lose out on the player. Yeah that's a pretty safe bet, can I get in on this? Exactly. I'm pretty confident in the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Eat like 8 million in dead money to save the 9th and lose out on the player. Yeah that's a pretty safe bet, can I get in on this? OK then........#BADOL redefined Commonsense........shall be your handle should I be right. Anyone else want to offer to take some of the burden off of Deranged Rhino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 OK then........#BADOL redefined Commonsense........shall be your handle should I be right. Anyone else want to offer to take some of the burden off of Deranged Rhino? I like that it has a good ring too it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Should I keep banging the drum for Boldin? Especially with this news on Watkins. I wanted them to get him last year.......Sammy really could use a good role model and Boldin would be a great one. But man he is getting old now. On paper he is a bad fit. But the truth is that the Bills WR corps outside of Sammy is a relative turd pile and they are one injury away from having the worst one in the NFL. And in a disaster situation Boldin is a the kind of warrior you want on your side. I've said it before but Boldin has family in WNY.......uncles and cousins and such so it's not as much of a "why would he come to Buffalo" situation as some might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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