Lofton80 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) This defense puts inconsistant pressure on the QB. Looking at Bradford's long pass on 2 and 26 for a touchdown. An aggressive effort by Mario would have disrupted Bradford as he rolled right near where Mario was jogging/sleepwalking by the offensive tackle. That play was blamed on Graham but any effort at all by Mario should have disrupted the play. I have waited all year for Mario to snap out of it and it is not going to happen. He has to be moved if he does not want to play hard. The team needs are DE, LB, S and #2 WR. Any combination of draft or FA can produce needed players. I would love to see Graham back at 3rd corner and get a better tackling safety (assuming Williams is done). Edited December 14, 2015 by Lofton80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The problem is the roster needs to be blown up and they haven't done that. If we blow up the roster - we fire the coaches and the coordinators. Who in their right mind wants to come here to be a GM/coach? We just fired a coach after a year- and your team will have less talent... so you're going in just expecting to be fired in a year or two. You don't blow teams up in the NFL because 1 draft pick isn't the difference between good and bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The problem is the roster needs to be blown up and they haven't done that. Again...can you explain what this means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 This defense puts inconsistant pressure on the QB. Looking at Bradford's long pass on 2 and 26 for a touchdown. An aggressive effort by Mario would have disrupted Bradford as he rolled right near where Mario was jogging/sleepwalking by the offensive tackle. That play was blamed on Graham but any effort at all by Mario should have disrupted the play. I have waited all year for Mario to snap out of it and it is not going to happen. He has to be moved if he does not want to play hard. The team needs are DE, LB, S and #2 WR. Any combination of draft or FA can produce needed players. I would love to see Graham back at 3rd corner and get a better tackling safety (assuming Williams is done). I would agree with what you said about Mario if it wasn't the entire D line underperforming. He was terrific the last two years. Why would he suddenly be mailing it in. Same for Dareus. It's more likely a systemic problem....basically it's Rex...he ruined a great defense. If we blow up the roster - we fire the coaches and the coordinators. Who in their right mind wants to come here to be a GM/coach? We just fired a coach after a year- and your team will have less talent... so you're going in just expecting to be fired in a year or two. You don't blow teams up in the NFL because 1 draft pick isn't the difference between good and bad. Don't need to blow up the roster, just the coaching staff. Rex is horrid. Besides, no worry about a lot of interest in a vacant Bills HC position. Candidates would be lining up. That's a non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well if its the Bills...we slowly get Rex his 3-4 players...then fire him in year three only to hire a coach who wants to run a 4-3, then that takes a few years to get his players and on and on it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The casuals will finally learn next year just how poorly this roster has been constructed. Do you know how many collective man hours are wasted on this board every week? With all the other options in life, I doubt many here are 'casual' fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 After yet another disappointing season, how will the off season "reload" look? Do we really blow it and make massive moves or do we simply make adjustments. I think the age of Williams will come to end. I can foresee Mario and Kyle Williams both being released. I can see Jerry Hughes being moved to OLB. It looks like Aaron Williams may have to strongly consider giving in up and Duke Williams, well he isn't very good anyhow. Leodis McKelvin is clearly another guy who has to go. There's plenty of good young talent on the defensive side of the ball but obviously, Rex's great attacking defense needs "his" players. The offensive side of the ball seems to be all about the O-line. Do we invest big time in Cordy Glenn? Are there better options? Is he worth a big time contract, which is what he would ask for. Is Richie Incognito resigned? He is 32 now, and maybe yesterday was a preview of things to come. What about Eric Woods? Can we do better? And then the right side, which has been below average at best. Obviously both John Miller and Seantrel Henderson will be back. You can't upgrade and rebuild an entire O-line in one off season. We also need a big receiver, a backup running back who can stay healthy. We also might need a new kicker and exactly why do we waste a roster spot on a kickoff specialist? Lots of changes are coming in my book but will they mean a thing? Based on recent history, say the entire 21st century worth of history, it seems unlikely. It's already blown up. Mario is gone but Kyle stays and we need to get guys that fit Rex's system, a RT, Big WR and of course QB. Well if its the Bills...we slowly get Rex his 3-4 players...then fire him in year three only to hire a coach who wants to run a 4-3, then that takes a few years to get his players and on and on it goes. truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) nah I think we're good. Thigpen doesn't drop the punt and we probably win that game and we're talkin' playoffs. even with a zillion penalties. the games have been that close. Good first year under new coaching schemes and mostly new skill players/rookies. I like 'em. Special teams are terrible and we really need Goodwin and Gilmore on the field. Other than that, I like 'em. Hit the jackpot in the draft; We found a quality QB who now knows how to stay healthy, Quality RBs, Quality TE, Quality Guards, quality secondary , quality OC all in 12 months when there was nothing, absolutely nothing in those spots last year. the injury bug hit again big time and cost 'em 2+ games for sure, but that's what happens... schedule sucked again with home games at very end of season when you don't need them, but oh well, thats the NFL I think the first year of the post-Ralph "blow up everything" period has gone reasonably well. they blew it all up, started from scratch with little practice time due to the CBA, and have a .500 team. Should be very good next year. Blow it up again and you might as well move the team and let some other fan base endure the pain. Edited December 15, 2015 by 8and8-->NoMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Well if its the Bills...we slowly get Rex his 3-4 players...then fire him in year three only to hire a coach who wants to run a 4-3, then that takes a few years to get his players and on and on it goes. Yep, the treadmill continues. The only thing that made fans believe that this team was capable of competing for a playoff spot was this D. The only thing about this D that made it dominant was the DL. Now we're thinking they're going to dismantle the DL to get "Rex guys" for his D. Years of suffering, here we come. If Rex couldn't create a scheme that utilized the strength of the roster that was already in place then he was absolutely the wrong choice for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 nah I think we're good. Thigpen doesn't drop the punt and we probably win that game and we're talkin' playoffs. even with a zillion penalties. the games have been that close. Good first year under new coaching schemes and mostly new skill players/rookies. I like 'em. Special teams are terrible and we really need Goodwin and Gilmore on the field. Other than that, I like 'em. Hit the jackpot in the draft; We found a quality QB who now knows how to stay healthy, Quality RBs, Quality TE, Quality Guards, quality secondary , quality OC all in 12 months when there was nothing, absolutely nothing in those spots last year. the injury bug hit again big time and cost 'em 2+ games for sure, but that's what happens... schedule sucked again with home games at very end of season when you don't need them, but oh well, thats the NFL I think the first year of the post-Ralph "blow up everything" period has gone reasonably well. they blew it all up, started from scratch with little practice time due to the CBA, and have a .500 team. Should be very good next year. Blow it up again and you might as well move the team and let some other fan base endure the pain. Hard to pin it on one play, but I do kind of agree. That muffed punt was the difference between us getting the ball on the 45 and them throwing a 53 yard TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I tend to agree with this. As much as I don't like the coaching staff and there could be some marginal tweaks made there, following Cleveland's lead and blowing things up every three years just hasn't worked for the Bills. There are two kinds of blowing it up. Bringing a coach that fits the defensive talent would result in not having to blow up the roster. Keeping Rex means blowing up 2014s best front 4. It will take years to get the Rex ends and a Rex nose tackle and Rex safeties, and by the time they amass it all they'll realize what a scham the clown is. Then they'll blow it up again. Basically it's hell or high water now. fire his a$$ now, admit the error and get a coach in there that will win next season.... Or give him years to squander talent, drive the team into the ground, THEN come to the same conclusion, with the need to reboot and rebuild a team on top of it.... et voila 20 years without a post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Whaley needs to draft the 2016 version of David Harris. Linebacker IMO, is a top priority. You're right. The defensive scheme change has exposed the linebackers for what they really are; the Schwartz' Wide 9 masked their deficiencies. The Williams will likely be cut and the savings sunk into better linebackers and a true nose tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It will take years to get the Rex ends and a Rex nose tackle and Rex safeties, and by the time they amass it all they'll realize what a scham the clown is. It won't take as long as you think because Rex's scheme doesn't rely on upon premier talent; the Jets always fielded a respectable defense despite Idzik's mismanagement. Rex's downfall was his inability to obtain a sufficiently good quarterback and responsibility for that probably rests on Idzik's shoulders as well. Was it a mistake to change the defensive scheme this year? Absolutely, but only if their plan was to possibly win now and blow it up next year due to salary cap issues. That would have been a very risky plan with the available quarterbacks and a new offensive coordinator because last year's Bills are proof that having a great defensive unit isn't enough. Maybe the Pegulas are more interested in fielding a perennial contender and they needed this year to see how the existing talent would fit into the long term schemes so that they'd know who to cut, how to plan for the draft and which free agents to go after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Beeeews Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Would it be insane to suggest Josh McDaniels as HC (if Rex is fired) and Pettine as DC?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) I don't know what 'blow things up' is supposed to mean. Every off season you need to evaluate your team and drop guys who either don't fit and/or aren't worth what you're paying them and/or can be replaced by cheaper options. Is there a certain threshold of roster turnover that qualifies as a blow up? And people who think the head coach is going to be fired one year into a long term contract for going 7-9 need to stop sniffing glue. You could ask Chip Kelly what it means to blow something up EDIT: Or Jed York. That was also a blow up I don't think the Bills would benefit from a blow up Edited December 15, 2015 by Wazzu Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 with revolving coordinators, head coaches and gm's all we do is blow it up..... over and over and over...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Blowing things up makes absolutely no sense. We need to get our defensive house in order, first and foremost. This will best allow TT to develop without putting the entire thing on his shoulders. He's made great strides this season as his recent commitment to the pocket and middle of the field suggest. He's on a good trajectory. Any one of a safety, LB, or DE that can step right in and contribute next year would be my target in the first round. But, if there is a BPA at another position, I'd grab him. We need good football players, regardless. Free agent acquisitions will obviously alter our draft priorities, but I don't know who's available where at this point. If there are any Jest defensive players in last years of their deals, I'd expect Ryan to pursue them if allowed. Bottom line is we continue to tweak vs. blow the whole thing up. You just can't do that every couple of years and expect to succeed. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Would it be insane to suggest Josh McDaniels as HC (if Rex is fired) and Pettine as DC?! No thanks; he'd probably fare as well as Belichick's past coordinators did with their head coaching gigs. Belichick is like a Sith Lord: there is only one master, the rest are apprentices. The only way that McDaniels can succeed as a head coach is to kill Bill and take his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 No thanks; he'd probably fare as well as Belichick's past coordinators did with their head coaching gigs. Belichick is like a Sith Lord: there is only one master, the rest are apprentices. The only way that McDaniels can succeed as a head coach is to kill Bill and take his place. Remember that time when McDaniels was so overconfident that he overdrafted Tim Tebow and then scurried back to NE*? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It won't take as long as you think because Rex's scheme doesn't rely on upon premier talent; the Jets always fielded a respectable defense despite Idzik's mismanagement. Rex's downfall was his inability to obtain a sufficiently good quarterback and responsibility for that probably rests on Idzik's shoulders as well. Was it a mistake to change the defensive scheme this year? Absolutely, but only if their plan was to possibly win now and blow it up next year due to salary cap issues. That would have been a very risky plan with the available quarterbacks and a new offensive coordinator because last year's Bills are proof that having a great defensive unit isn't enough. Maybe the Pegulas are more interested in fielding a perennial contender and they needed this year to see how the existing talent would fit into the long term schemes so that they'd know who to cut, how to plan for the draft and which free agents to go after. Wrecks - the mythical guru. By points surrendered, he has fielded a top NFL defense exactly once as a head coach. Followed by 6th, then 20, 20, 19, 24. Bills are homing in on 15th after being the 4th. Lets talk Ravens as DC... 6th best both years before wrecks, then 10, 1, 22, 3.... Then after wrecks, 3rd best 3 years straight. I'm ashamed I bought into the defensive guru line. I should have known better when all those pathetic bills teams were still able to beat him. Impetulence isn't the only path I see to not spiraling into another 3-4 years on irrelevance. Can the man, promote Roman, if and only if he commits to a wide nine scheme DC. The right coaches can make a powerhouse out of this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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