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I still have yet to hear a good reason as to why we (or any country for that matter) feel the need to let the refugees in. What benefit to the population will they serve?

There is no good reason as far as the country goes. It's not about that. It's just part of the larger plan to dilute our sovereignty. Some of the side benefits, if your part of the global elite, is ensuing increase of chaos and division leading to the federalization of the police. A new population that is used to dictators and socialism so they will be more than willing to accept the type of governing that comes from the likes of Obama and Hillary. In short neuter the US to pave the way to global governance. jmho.

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There is no good reason as far as the country goes. It's not about that. It's just part of the larger plan to dilute our sovereignty. Some of the side benefits, if your part of the global elite, is ensuing increase of chaos and division leading to the federalization of the police. A new population that is used to dictators and socialism so they will be more than willing to accept the type of governing that comes from the likes of Obama and Hillary. In short neuter the US to pave the way to global governance. jmho.

Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

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Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

If you don't know who you're letting in, how can you be sure they're people you need to be helping?

 

We want the warm fuzzy feeling for helping people, but not the burdensome responsibility of making sure our decisions are correct.

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Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

It's the aware answer. If we really cared about refugees why did we blow up Iraq, Syria and Libya to create millions of them? That was very compassionate.

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We want the warm fuzzy feeling for helping people, but not the burdensome responsibility of making sure our decisions are correct.

Welcome to planet Earth

It's the aware answer. If we really cared about refugees why did we blow up Iraq, Syria and Libya to create millions of them? That was very compassionate.

I'm not sure what planet you're on.

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"French people have been kind to them. I know they’re desperate, but the least they can do is respect the law and try and integrate into French society.”

 

That sounds familiar....

 

Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

 

I agree with you, but with a caveat: If the refugees come from a culture significantly different from our own, then steps need to be taken to keep our citizens safe from the people we're trying to help. It's not like the US is unfamiliar with integrating foreign nationals into our society - in fact, our nation has historically benefited from it. It's plain to see that the refugee situation in both Paris and Germany have reached crisis proportions, so we would be foolish if we followed the same path as them and expected anything different than what's happening over there.

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I agree with you, but with a caveat: If the refugees come from a culture significantly different from our own, then steps need to be taken to keep our citizens safe from the people we're trying to help. It's not like the US is unfamiliar with integrating foreign nationals into our society - in fact, our nation has historically benefited from it. It's plain to see that the refugee situation in both Paris and Germany have reached crisis proportions, so we would be foolish if we followed the same path as them and expected anything different than what's happening over there.

I agree. Well said.

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The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

 

There is a difference between viewing something as good and compassionate, and forcing everyone to do it with reckless abandon.

 

The same talk of 'compassion' and 'do your share' got us Obamacare. And the Recovery Act.

 

The left, unfortunately, is brilliant at poisoning the well with labels disguised as compassion.

 

You don't like Obama because you're a racist.

 

You don't like Hillary because you're a misogynist.

 

You don't like immigrants because you're selfish.

 

If liberal policies were even one iota as effective as their shame rhetoric, everyone would be a liberal.

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Aren't you a Canadian living in Brazil?

uh, no

 

There is a difference between viewing something as good and compassionate, and forcing everyone to do it with reckless abandon.

 

The same talk of 'compassion' and 'do your share' got us Obamacare. And the Recovery Act.

 

The left, unfortunately, is brilliant at poisoning the well with labels disguised as compassion.

 

You don't like Obama because you're a racist.

 

You don't like Hillary because you're a misogynist.

 

You don't like immigrants because you're selfish.

 

If liberal policies were even one iota as effective as their shame rhetoric, everyone would be a liberal.

7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

 

Someone found Exiled's private stash of happy pills.

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uh, no

 

 

7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

Why?

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Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

 

That is the selfish answer. It makes them (the people letting them in not those being let in) feel good. My question is how is letting these refugees help in the greater good of the country/society?

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I agree with you, but with a caveat: If the refugees come from a culture significantly different from our own, then steps need to be taken to keep our citizens safe from the people we're trying to help. It's not like the US is unfamiliar with integrating foreign nationals into our society - in fact, our nation has historically benefited from it. It's plain to see that the refugee situation in both Paris and Germany have reached crisis proportions, so we would be foolish if we followed the same path as them and expected anything different than what's happening over there.

 

In no small part because the French and Germans treat refugees as immigrants. There is an important difference - immigrants choose to migrate, refugees are forced to migrate.

 

It's yet another example of the arrogance of the West in saying "You're here, why wouldn't you want to be one of us?" It's a sensible question for immigrants, but absolutely stupid applied to refugees.

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IMO, Refugees should be kept as close as safe and humanly possible near their homeland while the hostilities that drove them into exodus are ongoing. They should be relocated as soon as possible to their homeland once it's been stabilized. They should not be whisked away in an artificially accelerated diaspora off to the four corners of the globe by well-intentioned humanitarians with the object for them to be integrated with and assimilated into an environment, society, and culture that is a diametric impedance mismatch to their own cultural and religious beliefs, morays, and fundamental identity.

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Welcome to planet Earth

 

I'm not sure what planet you're on.

We weren't responsible for that mess over there resulting in millions of refugees and ISIS running around slaughtering thousands? What dimension do you hang in?

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We weren't responsible for that mess over there resulting in millions of refugees and ISIS running around slaughtering thousands? What dimension do you hang in?

I never said that. I never wanted any of those wars, going back two Bushes ago. The topic was the refugees. But I guess we're opening it up to time travel. In that case, let's go back a couple decades and re-think our position.

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There is an important difference - immigrants choose to migrate, refugees are forced to migrate.

 

 

You're right. That's a significant distinction that probably doesn't occur to most people. I could understand Germany's reluctance to place the refugees in camps (can you just imagine the blow-back from that?), but it's obvious that the streets of Berlin and Paris isn't a good place for them, both on their behalf and that of the native citizenry.

I agree. Well said.

 

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You're right. That's a significant distinction that probably doesn't occur to most people. I could understand Germany's reluctance to place the refugees in camps (can you just imagine the blow-back from that?), but it's obvious that the streets of Berlin and Paris isn't a good place for them, both on their behalf and that of the native citizenry.

 

You're an idiot. You wouldn't know a fact if you had one shoved up your ass. You should grow head-first in the ground like all the other turnips...

 

...wait...what? You said I'm right? You agreed with me?

 

Never mind...

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You're an idiot. You wouldn't know a fact if you had one shoved up your ass. You should grow head-first in the ground like all the other turnips...

 

...wait...what? You said I'm right? You agreed with me?

 

Never mind...

 

It was about time you called me an idiot. I was beginning to feel left out.

 

Speaking of turnips:

 

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Well, that's the made-up crazy answer. The shorter, true answer is that some people view it as the good, compassionate thing to do to provide a haven for people in need and that we should do our share to help.

 

By bombing their countries, creating the refugee crisis, and then turning around and telling people in our own countries that they are racist if they don't want to accept, and pay for these refugees.

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NICE WORK, ANGELA: Berlin Prepares to Admit Defeat on Refugees?

 

 

Germany is trying to walk back its open door promises on refugees and migrants even further, with the Interior Ministry reportedly looking to Australia as a model. The EU Observer explains that the proposed system would seek to intercept migrants at sea and send them back to North Africa. . . .

The plight of refugees is perhaps the greatest moral dilemma of our time, and the past few years have been blighted by short-sighted and counter-productive thinking about the issue. Naive policymakers on both sides of the Atlantic have allowed these awful refugee crises to persist and grow. Meanwhile, the inability to slow the flow of refugees has created a nightmare on the continent, enabling and ennobling far-right politicians and pulling at the fragile bonds of community upon which hold together the European political community. Unwillingness to attack the problem at its source in Syria and North Africa is the original sin, but it’s hardly the only sin.

If Germany gets tougher on migrants, the usual suspects will repeat the usual platitudes about human rights and values. In just the past two weeks, for example, the Australian model has been repeatedly attacked by the editorial board of The New York Times. Moral preening, coupled with a studied inability to recognize real political and social limits of a controversial policy, has amplified an already-grim situation. Hopefully Berlin is finally beginning to sober up.

 

 

 

 

Angela Merkel, who needs to sober up, has been held out by Hillary as a role model

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The title of that video almost has nothing to do with what the woman was vlogging about. She was noting the diversity of the different parts of Paris. She referenced the Jewish part of town as 'elegant' and 'with multiple delights.

 

But then I go to the actually Youtube link, read the comments, and realize your skinhead pals used this video to make a point that had pretty much nothing to do with what the woman reported. In fact, l completely missed where she asks "Is this Africa?"

 

But hey...skinheads gotta skinhead, amirite?

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The title of that video almost has nothing to do with what the woman was vlogging about. She was noting the diversity of the different parts of Paris. She referenced the Jewish part of town as 'elegant' and 'with multiple delights.

 

But then I go to the actually Youtube link, read the comments, and realize your skinhead pals used this video to make a point that had pretty much nothing to do with what the woman reported. In fact, l completely missed where she asks "Is this Africa?"

 

But hey...skinheads gotta skinhead, amirite?

 

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Keep this up and he's not going to show you the special Skinhead Brotherhood handshake.

 

I've had enough neo-Nazi bull **** the past several days to last a lifetime. Hell, I've studied actual Nazis for a lifetime, and it's only in the past few days that I've gotten sick of Nazi ****.

 

I can't even enjoy the irony that neo-Nazis are exactly the types of people the Nazis killed. That's right, Ozy, you dumb bucket of ****...in Nazi Germany, your nonsense would have gotten you executed - not "imprisoned," not "put in a camp," but killed outright - as an asocial element. You're not a race warrior. You're not a revolutionary. You're a bag of dicks that the Nazis purged.

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