Billsfan1972 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Got lucky on that play and the WIlliams TD could have been called a touchback (stupid rule in anycase). Can't complain about the reffing for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Anyone that thinks they'll call that play dead is a total moron. Total and complete moron. They call a QB down when he's in the grasp and controlled. Bottom line: if you can throw the ball away, you aren't in the grasp and controlled. Suh is an idiot, and Miami got what they deserved. Come on man you are better than that. Because you aren't pinning his arm and he can throw it side armed or underhand like TT did you aren't in the grasp or controlled? Suh has a point, TT was absolutely controlled and his forward progress was stopped. If the league is going to protect the QB, and they should, then they need to call in the grasp as well and not let QB's just heave it any way they can to get out of a sack. Then right after Suh was pissed (and rightfully so) after the non call on the obvious hold on the Watkins TD. With his anger issues I'm not surprised he had an outburst. Mildly surprised he didn't stomp on somebody. The in the grasp rule basically doesn't exist anymore -- it led to controversy and never produced the results for which it was intended (keeping the qb upright). So no, he shouldn't have been called down. Except for the fact that it does. That protects the QB as well from a lineman holding the QB up while another drills him. Edited November 9, 2015 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Come on man you are better than that. Because you aren't pinning his arm and he can throw it side armed or underhand like TT did you aren't in the grasp or controlled? Suh has a point, TT was absolutely controlled and his forward progress was stopped. If the league is going to protect the QB, and they should, then they need to call in the grasp as well and not let QB's just heave it any way they can to get out of a sack. Then right after Suh was pissed (and rightfully so) after the non call on the obvious hold on the Watkins TD. With his anger issues I'm not surprised he had an outburst. Mildly surprised he didn't stomp on somebody. Except for the fact that it does. That protects the QB as well from a lineman holding the QB up while another drills him. Bizarrely, I pay attention to this (a failing, I know), and it is never called. It's a vestigial rule that was already severely weakened in 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Bizarrely, I pay attention to this (a failing, I know), and it is never called. It's a vestigial rule that was already severely weakened in 1991. Could very well be. I certainly wouldn't want to play D in todays NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Clearly it was a horse collar that for some reason was not called. I did like what Tyrod did. He showed good football knowledge by realizing he was outside the tackles and throwing the ball to avoid a sack. That's what good players do. Kudos to TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I have seen much worse, but could have went either way. I don't for one second believe Suh let up because he thought they would blow the whistle, he simply could not get a good grasp of TT. Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Anyone that thinks they'll call that play dead is a total moron. Total and complete moron. They call a QB down when he's in the grasp and controlled. Bottom line: if you can throw the ball away, you aren't in the grasp and controlled. Suh is an idiot, and Miami got what they deserved. just so you are aware Insulting people and calling names can get you 10 days on suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Come on man you are better than that. Because you aren't pinning his arm and he can throw it side armed or underhand like TT did you aren't in the grasp or controlled? Suh has a point, TT was absolutely controlled and his forward progress was stopped. If the league is going to protect the QB, and they should, then they need to call in the grasp as well and not let QB's just heave it any way they can to get out of a sack. Then right after Suh was pissed (and rightfully so) after the non call on the obvious hold on the Watkins TD. With his anger issues I'm not surprised he had an outburst. Mildly surprised he didn't stomp on somebody. Except for the fact that it does. That protects the QB as well from a lineman holding the QB up while another drills him. Yes, that's correct. If a player isn't tackled, and isn't controlled, then he's not in the grasp according to the rules. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9, Item (h): "The Referee must blow the play dead as soon as the passer is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler behind the line, and the passer’s safety is in jeopardy." It's a judgement call. You tell me at what point all 3 of those criteria (in the grasp, under control, and in jeopardy) are met: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I must have not clicked submit earlier or is this a dup thread? or ..... It was a sack. Had Suh been typical Suh then Tyrod would have been thrown to the ground and stomped on. Suh gave that inch of protecting the QB and Tyrod took a foot. Posted Today, 10:14 AM Would you have preferred that Suh have yanked him to the ground and stomped on him instead of showing restraint? This is what happens when you coddle QB's. Give them an inch of extra protection and they take a foot. Edited November 9, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 just so you are aware Insulting people and calling names can get you 10 days on suspension. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You'd be among the 1st to B word and whine about Suh being dirty if he slams Tyrod and lands on him. Suh created a false dichotomy and you are falling for it. Suh had the option of attempting to finish the play with a normal, legal tackle. In this case it would have been difficult because Suh would've had to release his grip on Taylor's collar, but that is Suh's own damn fault for grabbing the collar in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yes, that's correct. If a player isn't tackled, and isn't controlled, then he's not in the grasp according to the rules. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9, Item (h): "The Referee must blow the play dead as soon as the passer is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler behind the line, and the passer’s safety is in jeopardy." It's a judgement call. You tell me at what point all 3 of those criteria (in the grasp, under control, and in jeopardy) are met: Again, it is never called, and if the QB is upright and able to throw it, the call isn't even on the ref's radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Thanks. Learn from my mistake (and mistaken intent). I think the other party is MIA again. Has MetzLives been posting? Again, it is never called, and if the QB is upright and able to throw it, the call isn't even on the ref's radar. Not to bring up the past but .... didn't EJ get a flag when going to a knee on a similar avoid the sack play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Again, it is never called, and if the QB is upright and able to throw it, the call isn't even on the ref's radar. Exactly. And to make my comments clear: that's what I was trying to say when I indicated that anyone that thinks that play is getting called as "in the grasp" is mistaken. Maybe it gets called if it's Brady or Manning or someone totally immobile. There's zero chance it's called with Kaep or Wilson or Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Suh threatened to do bodily harm next time. He had a good point IMO as the play should have been ruled a sack. "imma slam the F outta him next time"- Donkeykong Sue over the referee mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I saw at least one play where we tried to block Suh one on one with John Miller. Suh ate him alive. Didn't make any sense to leave a rookie alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Suh was trying to wrap Taylor up but couldn't do it. The only way he could have tackled Taylor on that play was to make an illegal tackle involving a horse collar. He'd have hurt his team with a penalty and probably been fined. So he didn't make that illegal tackle. He probably also would have injured Taylor. Suh did the right thing. From a Dolphins perspective, it would have been better if he'd secured a solid grip on Taylor and made a standard, no-fuss sack. But Taylor was too illusive. It isn't Suh's fault that Grimes is a terrible player and Watkins burned him like day-old toast on the next play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yes, that's correct. If a player isn't tackled, and isn't controlled, then he's not in the grasp according to the rules. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9, Item (h): "The Referee must blow the play dead as soon as the passer is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler behind the line, and the passer’s safety is in jeopardy." It's a judgement call. You tell me at what point all 3 of those criteria (in the grasp, under control, and in jeopardy) are met: As soon as TT was spun around and moving backwards. No more forward progress, Suh clearly had TT in his grasp and under control, and TT was in jeopardy because Suh could have body slammed TT like a rag doll on the spin and we would be stuck with EJ on Thursday. I mean no offense to you, but if the same play happened and Mario had hold of Tanney instead of Suh and TT, you and many many others would be crying foul and how much the refs hate the Bills. It isn't Suh's fault that Grimes is a terrible player and Watkins burned him like day-old toast on the next play. No, it was the refs for blowing the hold non call. But it was a great pass and even greater catch (just shouldn't have counted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 @YardsPerPass Suh definitely had a point here... if he slams him down it is 15 yards, if you want to protect QBs blow the whistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 A mobile qb outside the pocket has to be given every right to break a tackle or make a play.. This isnt 2 hand touch. A tackle has to be a tackle and Suh failed. Progress was not stopped as he was still moving laterally. Sure if he slams him off his head it is a pentalty for Unnecessary roughness, but that is Suh's job to be in the right position to make a legal tackle, in this case he wasnt and he got beat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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