boater Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 soooooo...if he is a franchise qb....why would he be available... ^this 32 teams. There are 15 to 20 franchise quality QBs. A franchise QB does not become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Can we get a list of all the QB's people wanted to trade EJ for and see what their stats are right now? Yes, EJ has been EJ inconsistent with flashes of good. Somehow I don't think any ot the names offered prior are doing much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 "inconsistent"?? Come on BF4E, inconsistent is a very kind way of describing what EJ was on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Before we start, what is your definition of "franchise QB"? Its a bit of a nebulous, frustrating term but most people seem to define it as "a QB who is The Man, who can carry the team to victory on occasion and play well enough to win consistently" When has RGIII shown himself to be That Guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 maybe it's worth a shot to try RG3 and get him in here and try turn him around. He needs a fresh start, we need to let Tyrod play the rest of the games but these prototype QB's are not growing on trees. I would bring him in next year and let him compete for the Job. If I was the Bills I would also draft a QB. what say you RG111 is a disaster, We will see, but he is toast imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 "inconsistent"?? Come on BF4E, inconsistent is a very kind way of describing what EJ was on Sunday. bad and good. is that not inconsistent? consistent would either be mostly bad or mostly good. Before we start, what is your definition of "franchise QB"? Its a bit of a nebulous, frustrating term but most people seem to define it as "a QB who is The Man, who can carry the team to victory on occasion and play well enough to win consistently" When has RGIII shown himself to be That Guy? please bud, not the definition of "franchise QB" discussion again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 bad and good. is that not inconsistent? consistent would either be mostly bad or mostly good. Sunday was mostly bad. Even the passes he hit did not hit the receiver in stride to make YAC. If he is more accurate on that throw to Gragg in the 1s quarter for example it is a walk in TD. I like EJ as you know. I think he is a great kid and I wanted him so badly to work out. But the writing has been on the wall since the Houston game and after Sunday it is there in permanent ink. EJ is a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tyrod is not playing because he had a little too much RGIII in him. It won a game, but at great cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 ^this 32 teams. There are 15 to 20 franchise quality QBs. A franchise QB does not become available. Well, a Brady doesn't. But Carson Palmer became available. Twice. Sometimes teams make mistakes in player evaluation. Sometimes they just move on because things have become so toxic between the QB and his current team. Tyrod is not playing because he had a little too much RGIII in him. It won a game, but at great cost. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 RG III = EJ = bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 RG III = EJ = bust With the exception of that MVP quality season RG3 had, they are exactly the same. Which means "not the same at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Well, a Brady doesn't. But Carson Palmer became available. Twice. I was in favour of going after him the first time. I have to say when he was cut by Oakland I thought he looked washed up and did not want any piece of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Sunday was mostly bad. Even the passes he hit did not hit the receiver in stride to make YAC. If he is more accurate on that throw to Gragg in the 1s quarter for example it is a walk in TD. I like EJ as you know. I think he is a great kid and I wanted him so badly to work out. But the writing has been on the wall since the Houston game and after Sunday it is there in permanent ink. EJ is a bust. I won't argue EJ was bad at times during the game. I will argue the total loss in not on him alone. See the numerous Defense threads and Fire Rex threads See Roby phantom PI thread The nonexistent - Shady Fumbling at the 1 yard line going for a TD thread which was very bad. Edited October 27, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Well, a Brady doesn't. But Carson Palmer became available. Twice. Sometimes teams make mistakes in player evaluation. Sometimes they just move on because things have become so toxic between the QB and his current team. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, the Franchise QB's Franchise QB, became available as well. It does happen. Not as often as we'd like, but it does. Kurt Warner comes to mind as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 No one player ever loses alone and I am as vociferous a critic of Rex's defense as anyone - but EJ was the single biggest reason we lost on Sunday that is beyond dispute. However, that does not mean that RGIII is the answer, he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tyrod is not playing because he had a little too much RGIII in him. It won a game, but at great cost. I'll admit to being kind of a stats geek. And the whole QB thing is to me like the idea of "the closer" in baseball. If you've got Mariano Rivera, great. There's your man. Otherwise, it's usually better to mix and match from what you've got. You need multiple quality -- not great, not "franchise", just quality -- arms to throw out there. And that's kind of where we're at. QB Purgatory. Tyrod was an inspired signing, and it was even better that they threw caution to the wind and said let's go with him over the safely reliable/safely below average Matt Cassel. But Tyrod's value comes from running as much (more) than from anything else. He was going to get dinged. Maybe a game or two (so far where we're at), maybe half a season or more. So my theory ... you need two Tyrods. Or three. And is that ridiculous? Not really when you look who's out there. Running QBs who dominated in college are a dime a dozen. No, they're not all RG3 or Vick or even Tyrod. But they're out there. But like the closer in baseball thing, it would take guts for a GM to just blow up conventional wisdom and say "no more Matt Cassels, no more Kyle Ortons, no more waiting for the guy we blew a 1st round pick on to magically develop into a franchise QB in his 3rd season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 I really like your idea of having 3 running QB so maybe Tyrod,Tebow and josh Johnson they could play balls to the wall be reckless have your QB running 20 plays a game like in the movie Money Ball it's about the statistics and analytics and plugging in the right players to Taylor your offense. you would draft offensive linemen who could play the style offensive. you would want real good blocking wideouts who could catch. actually woods is a good blocker. I like it now what GM is brave enough to run it and draft for it. I'll admit to being kind of a stats geek. And the whole QB thing is to me like the idea of "the closer" in baseball. If you've got Mariano Rivera, great. There's your man. Otherwise, it's usually better to mix and match from what you've got. You need multiple quality -- not great, not "franchise", just quality -- arms to throw out there. And that's kind of where we're at. QB Purgatory. Tyrod was an inspired signing, and it was even better that they threw caution to the wind and said let's go with him over the safely reliable/safely below average Matt Cassel. But Tyrod's value comes from running as much (more) than from anything else. He was going to get dinged. Maybe a game or two (so far where we're at), maybe half a season or more. So my theory ... you need two Tyrods. Or three. And is that ridiculous? Not really when you look who's out there. Running QBs who dominated in college are a dime a dozen. No, they're not all RG3 or Vick or even Tyrod. But they're out there. But like the closer in baseball thing, it would take guts for a GM to just blow up conventional wisdom and say "no more Matt Cassels, no more Kyle Ortons, no more waiting for the guy we blew a 1st round pick on to magically develop into a franchise QB in his 3rd season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 maybe it's worth a shot to try RG3 and get him in here and try turn him around. He needs a fresh start, we need to let Tyrod play the rest of the games but these prototype QB's are not growing on trees. I would bring him in next year and let him compete for the Job. If I was the Bills I would also draft a QB. what say you your kidding right? Have you watched one game after his knee injury in the playoffs? Um, pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Your no t getting what he was saying. he wants to like they did in Money Ball did you see the movie. he says get 3 running QBs have them all play on game day. this is not about rg3 it's about his idea at the end of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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