birdog1960 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 If EJ was inaccurate yesterday, then so was Andy Dalton. They had identical completion percentages. which clearly illustrates how statistics can be deceiving. no one watching that game objectively could judge those 2 qb's to be equally valuable. and the folks that matter, league general managers (with the possible exclusion of whaley) have likely long ago determined a minimal value for manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) The next draft the Bills need to draft a QB early. EJ will NEVER be an NFL quarterback. I was rooting so hard for the guy to make it but I have to give up on him. Three years in the league and he hasn't improved one iota. He's as bad now as he was on his first day in the league. The guy has all the physical tools but he just does NOT have it upstairs. No brains. This guy is dumber than a box of rocks. coming from screwylouie not sure where to go with this..... but yes, his throwing mechanics once he has to move off the spot are bad, very bad. when set, he can be good, but move him and he doesn't re set his feet to throw... having said that, Peyton Manning was doing exactly the same thing yesterday and threw a couple picks... Yes, now we know who our starter is. TT. Go bills. Beat the Jags and go get healthy. Edited October 19, 2015 by 8and8-->NoMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 EJ would be a welcome addition to any bar dart league. So he's got that going for him. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 If EJ was inaccurate yesterday, then so was Andy Dalton. They had identical completion percentages. You must not have watched the game then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 That's a ridiculous assertion. They both completed two thirds of their pass attempts. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Blaming EJ for yesterdays loss is like blaming your left rear tire when your car doesn't start. Did EJ play lights out NO. Did he cost us the game Hell no. The defense did. Anyone trying to use the excuse that the D was on the field too much needs to consider that the D can take themselves off the field. All they need to do is make a stop. If we scored 33 points and lost by one people would still be blaming EJ. The D stunk, and ST was a cesspool also. Do I think we need an upgrade at QB ABSOLUTLY! But it wasn't the reason we lost yesterday!!!! Edited October 19, 2015 by MikeSpeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Stinks out loud is a bit harsh IMO. 1 passing TD, 1 rushing TD and INT. 21 points which is just under the combined 24 points scored for the last 2 games. The completion ratio for both Dalton 22/33 and EJ 28/42 had was the same. Dalton is a red hot QB and has been for years. EJ not so much. Blaming EJ for yesterdays loss is like blaming your left rear tire when your car doesn't start. Did EJ play lights out NO. Did he cost us the game Hell no. The defense did. Anyone trying to use the excuse that the D was on the field too much needs to consider that the D can take themselves off the field. All they need to do is make a stop. If we scored 33 points and lost by one people would still be blaming EJ. The D stunk, and ST was a cesspool also. Do I think we need an upgrade at QB ABSOLUTLY! But it wasn't the reason we lost yesterday!!!! This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) which clearly illustrates how statistics can be deceiving. no one watching that game objectively could judge those 2 qb's to be equally valuable. and the folks that matter, league general managers (with the possible exclusion of whaley) have likely long ago determined a minimal value for manuel. Still having problems with reading comprehension aren't you. That's not what I said at all. Edited October 19, 2015 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) which clearly illustrates how statistics can be deceiving. no one watching that game objectively could judge those 2 qb's to be equally valuable. and the folks that matter, league general managers (with the possible exclusion of whaley) have likely long ago determined a minimal value for manuel. Funny that. I just looked at Dalton's stats http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton A [edit] career season average rating of 85 and an average QBR of 51.2. Edited October 19, 2015 by NOVABillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Funny that. I just looked at Dalton's stats http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton A season average rating of 85 and an average QBR of 51.2. Dalton has a QB Rating of 116 and a QBR of 84. Not sure what stats you're looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 IDK if EJ stinks out loud. But, maybe Whaley would have got better value on a EJ trade, and kept cassell for this season. What EJ showed yesterday was really after another year of seasoning, his game has shown little if any improvement. Not going to help his trade value. Any GM would see that. No way does he go past his rookie deal with the Bills. as for the thinking that he is a good #2, Where does that come from? Frank Reich was a good # 2. EJ never had us in the game, he lost. But yea the opening drive was nice. Just a wild guess But next season a rookie will be holding the clipboard. I hope Whaley gets one with potential. If Pegula resigns Whaley. Are lame duck GM's common in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I'm no great fan of Manuel, but he led two legit, long TD drives in the first half. He made a good run to the endzone for one score and made a good play to get it to Watkins for the other (and it wasn't a bad pass; Watkins hurt his ankle long before the ball arrived). 2 TDs in the first half is better than league average. In fact, if we averaged two TDs a half (28 pts per game) people would think we have a good offense. When he got the ball next, the Bills were down by 2 scores, and garbage time quickly ensued. He's not great, but he was OK yesterday. He did what a backup is supposed to do - lead the team to ~20 points with minimal turnovers (one TO is acceptable), with the ultimate objective of getting the team to .500 in the games he plays. Edited October 19, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Top priority is getting a good QB ! I believe there are some already out on other teams that are sleepers . One is the guy from Ala. that is on the Bengals that will never see the field with Dalton playing this good , The Bills won't get him this year but next year they could get him if they offer him a chance at starting. But if Rex is as set with Tyrod being a great QB as he is with his Defensive scheme being a good one the Bills are doomed to being middle of the road at the position ! Get er done Whaley !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I don't think there is any problem in critiquing EJ's play, I don't think anyone(I may have missed it?) is saying that EJ's play led to the loss. I wasn't particularly impressed with his play, his ball placement still leaves a lot to be desired. Clay saved him on 2 horrible throws, he got burned for an INT on another horrible throw and I believe there were a couple more throws were the receivers bailed him out. He also threw short quite a few times on 3rd down and took a couple bad sacks. Looking at his stats, 15/20 for 1 TD, 1 INT and a running TD people might conclude that he preformed fairly well. Unfortunately stats don't tell the entire story as pointed out by his bad ball placement. Was he OK for a backup QB? Sure, I suppose he was but he certainly didn't look anything like preseason EJ Manuel. He looked more like the EJ Manuel of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I don't think there is any problem in critiquing EJ's play, I don't think anyone(I may have missed it?) is saying that EJ's play led to the loss. I wasn't particularly impressed with his play, his ball placement still leaves a lot to be desired. Clay saved him on 2 horrible throws, he got burned for an INT on another horrible throw and I believe there were a couple more throws were the receivers bailed him out. He also threw short quite a few times on 3rd down and took a couple bad sacks. Looking at his stats, 15/20 for 1 TD, 1 INT and a running TD people might conclude that he preformed fairly well. Unfortunately stats don't tell the entire story as pointed out by his bad ball placement. Was he OK for a backup QB? Sure, I suppose he was but he certainly didn't look anything like preseason EJ Manuel. He looked more like the EJ Manuel of old. This is a fair assessment of EJ. Some good mixed in with bad as we've seen in his previous appearances. Not the reason the team lost yesterday, but certainly a disappointing performance based on the progress he showed in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Perspective with some facts: -EJ is the back up and Tyrod is the starter, 2015 production stats align with this - EJ manual's stat line is nearly identical to Tyrod vs the gaints including rushing - wr injuries are so significant denarius Moore was playing WR, Marquis Goodwin left a game injured again - Cincinnati beat the bills, but theyve beaten everyone else they played too. Edited October 19, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Dalton has a QB Rating of 116 and a QBR of 84. Not sure what stats you're looking at. My apologies. I meant to say "Career" stats. Thus far his #'s for this season are much better on average than past seasons. I don't think there is any problem in critiquing EJ's play, I don't think anyone(I may have missed it?) is saying that EJ's play led to the loss. I wasn't particularly impressed with his play, his ball placement still leaves a lot to be desired. Clay saved him on 2 horrible throws, he got burned for an INT on another horrible throw and I believe there were a couple more throws were the receivers bailed him out. He also threw short quite a few times on 3rd down and took a couple bad sacks. Looking at his stats, 15/20 for 1 TD, 1 INT and a running TD people might conclude that he preformed fairly well. Unfortunately stats don't tell the entire story as pointed out by his bad ball placement. Was he OK for a backup QB? Sure, I suppose he was but he certainly didn't look anything like preseason EJ Manuel. He looked more like the EJ Manuel of old. From what I read on the first page, it looked as if a few people did put blame on EJ. But I could have misinterpreted their post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 From what I read on the first page, it looked as if a few people did put blame on EJ. But I could have misinterpreted their post. I think this is now 2 merged threads, so it could be from the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think this is now 2 merged threads, so it could be from the other one. it is indeed, the other being titled 'RIP EJ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Top priority is getting a good QB ! The top priority is always getting a good QB. We knew the Bills didn't have a top QB coming into this season and the plan was to win with D and ST and get the running game going. So far the QB has not been the issue this season. We've gotten better play than we likely expected from it and it still hasn't been enough because of the D, ST and penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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