Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13423597/nfl-player-survey-reveals-majority-think-new-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-cheaters 72% believe pats deflated ball. 16% "upset" by this 68% believe other teams do the same thing 78% think Brady's suspense is too much 58% don't think pats are cheaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I think it echoes the rumblings we've heard that guys push the limits in this, and other ways. That the pats might do it more ways, but that this "gotcha" moment could've happened to a number of teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Most of these NFL players don't post on fan message boards. So I am not sure I trust their level of expertise to assess these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 WEO. Troll de la troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 WEO. Troll de la troll. It's an espn poll of players.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RI Bills Fan Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Was this thread started for the express purpose of allowing the pats** fans who post here to ball-wash each other? Not so serious minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's an espn poll of players.... Posted by WEO to support his ongoing pro-Brady* pro-P*triot troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13423597/nfl-player-survey-reveals-majority-think-new-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-cheaters 72% believe pats deflated ball. 16% "upset" by this 68% believe other teams do the same thing 78% think Brady's suspense is too much 58% don't think pats are cheaters Finally! Phase III of the "Patriots Cheating Scandal Cycle" has hit, as I predicted it would some 7 months ago. Remember, Phase I is "we didn't do it" Phase II is "if we did it, it didn't give us any competitive advantage" It's nice to see consistency, as we've now reached Phase III: "if we did it, and it gave us a competitive advantage, then everyone else is doing it too" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 As I've said before.... it's like speeding. Everyone speeds. If you get caught, you get a ticket, and the defense of "so is everyone else!" doesn't work. Every player and team in professional sports does what they can to get ahead, many of them doing what they can to skirt the rules. You get caught, you get in trouble, and "everyone else is doing it" doesn't work. Seems pretty simple to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If NE were cheating they must make players sign confidentiality agreements. The way they have treated some players you know if they cheated those players would tell media. So no I don't think they cheat. They do however push every limit they can to be as prepared for a game as possible. The whole ball deflate thing doesn't bother me. It would mean more to me if they did this for field goals. Which I must say they have been very good at kicker for a long time so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 WEO forgot that: 48% thought that deflated balls effected the outcome of games 88% believe Goodell should not decided on punishments (even though their union agreed to it because the money was more important than things like discipline) 71% do not think that players on their team cheat (but 68% of other teams do cheat, obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If NE were cheating they must make players sign confidentiality agreements. The way they have treated some players you know if they cheated those players would tell media. So no I don't think they cheat. They do however push every limit they can to be as prepared for a game as possible. Or perhaps those players don't want to burn bridges, as "snitching" on your organization is generally frowned upon in the NFL. The whole ball deflate thing doesn't bother me. It would mean more to me if they did this for field goals. Which I must say they have been very good at kicker for a long time so who knows. So, for example: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/report-ravens-had-concerns-about-kicking-balls-at-new-england/ ^ that might bother you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Finally! Phase III of the "Patriots Cheating Scandal Cycle" has hit, as I predicted it would some 7 months ago. Remember, Phase I is "we didn't do it" Phase II is "if we did it, it didn't give us any competitive advantage" It's nice to see consistency, as we've now reached Phase III: "if we did it, and it gave us a competitive advantage, then everyone else is doing it too" 1. "We didn't do it" 2. "If we did it, it didn't give us any competitive advantage" 3. "if we did it, and it gave us a competitive advantage, then everyone else is doing it too" 4. "It is unfair you are attempting to punish us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Or perhaps those players don't want to burn bridges, as "snitching" on your organization is generally frowned upon in the NFL. So, for example: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/report-ravens-had-concerns-about-kicking-balls-at-new-england/ ^ that might bother you? I just think it would get out. I have heard reports of Patriots players being wired so they can hear line calls during a game. I mean yeah, who is the best coach at halftime adjustments in the NFL? So who knows. But I just don't see it happening and staying quiet. As for the kickers, yes. As soon as this deflator story broke I immediately thought of their kickers being all world for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13423597/nfl-player-survey-reveals-majority-think-new-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-cheaters 72% believe pats deflated ball. 16% "upset" by this 68% believe other teams do the same thing 78% think Brady's suspense is too much 58% don't think pats are cheaters So 42% of the players in the league think the pats* are cheaters? Is that supposed to be a healthy sign for the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Finally! Phase III of the "Patriots Cheating Scandal Cycle" has hit, as I predicted it would some 7 months ago. Remember, Phase I is "we didn't do it" Phase II is "if we did it, it didn't give us any competitive advantage" It's nice to see consistency, as we've now reached Phase III: "if we did it, and it gave us a competitive advantage, then everyone else is doing it too" you are roughly 7 months late. this discussion happened pretty early, when discussing the severity of the incidents with regards to is a unique 4 game suspension and high drama justified if its a common offense, and should the nfl have handled it differently from the get-go. this is just the first poll we have of people in the league, which isnt pats fans justifying (though now i suppose they have something more concrete than the rodgers comments, or leinert, or whoever the third qb that commented was). i thoroughly enjoy your posting bandit and make a point to read them, but it seems dismissive for the sake of not liking what the poll said on this one. Edited August 13, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 you are roughly 7 months late. this discussion happened pretty early, when discussing the severity of the incidents with regards to is a unique 4 game suspension and high drama justified if its a common offense, and should the nfl have handled it differently from the get-go. this is just the first poll we have of people in the league, which isnt pats fans justifying (though now i suppose they have something more concrete than the rodgers comments, or leinert, or whoever the third qb that commented was). i thoroughly enjoy your posting bandit and make a point to read them, but it seems dismissive for the sake of not liking what the poll said on this one. Let's pick a random team......I'm closing my eyes and pointing.......Bengals......what percentage of the players in the league think the Begals are cheaters? Do you think it approaches 42? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 you are roughly 7 months late. this discussion happened pretty early, when discussing the severity of the incidents with regards to is a unique 4 game suspension and high drama justified if its a common offense, and should the nfl have handled it differently from the get-go. this is just the first poll we have of people in the league, which isnt pats fans justifying (though now i suppose they have something more concrete than the rodgers comments, or leinert, or whoever the third qb that commented was). i thoroughly enjoy your posting bandit and make a point to read them, but it seems dismissive for the sake of not liking what the poll said on this one. I appreciate the compliment...and this was more tongue-in-cheek than serious. It's merely an observation that every time the Pats are accused of something, those 3 themes seem to emerge. Frankly, I'm not surprised that many around the league don't see it as a big deal--the deflation of the football, on its face, probably isn't hugely impactful on game performance, especially for Brady. The covert-style operation and ensuing subterfuge and evasiveness is the greater offense IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Jim Kelly said "no team in the NFL would deflate w/ the QB's knowledge" Brady and company guilty...irrespective is the cute arguments on both sides. Punishment? Well, get it done and over...and put it behind you. AND...the NFL has to take charge of providing the footballs as I will never trust the home team again...Bills included. (and yes, I did know the perfect gas law before all this occured) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 To paraphrase K-J..."why aren't they outraged??". The results of the poll should surprise no one, not even those whos narrative it challenges.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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