Kelly the Dog Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I'd take Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate. Lions got robbed last year. We all know that was pass interference, not "face gaurding." The refs hate the Lions and always have. But they have the best 2 gamebreaking WRs imaginable. I would argue that Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate may be the very best 1-2 punch. Tate is highly underrated and played incredible ball last season. Megatron speaks for himself. I can't think of another duo I would prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I would argue that Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate may be the very best 1-2 punch. Tate is highly underrated and played incredible ball last season. Megatron speaks for himself. I can't think of another duo I would prefer. I think you can argue that Seattle felt the loss of Tate quite a bit, if not in terms of numbers, but respect for the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 You are drinking the off-season Kool Aid. Harvin is two years removed from being a force at WR. Sammy hasn't done it and his production tailed way off toward the end of last year. He hasn't shown he is a number one. Woods averages 640 yards per year and 4 TDs yet you think he is almost number 1? Until all of these guys prove something this WR corp is a paper tiger. I doubt there is a team that thinks oh man we have to stop the Bills WRs to win. Nope, they will have to stop McCoy. The Bills QB will be enough to stop the Bills WRs.So answer this- the bills receivers are magically placed on the colts this season. At the end of the year are those three in the discussion for best in the league? Or do you think luck is like, "coach i'm sorry I can't work with these guys?" My guess is the former. And I'd bet ya Robert woods would end up with a hell of a lot more than 640 yards. There's just such a dramatic disparity in qb play that it's impossible to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think you can argue that Seattle felt the loss of Tate quite a bit, if not in terms of numbers, but respect for the passing game. Yup. And part of the alleged reason they may have got rid of him, like Harvin, is an off the field rumor not on the field. I have no idea at all what happened so I am not making a judgment of wise or unwise. Just that they did that with both guys. Tate was clearly a mistake. He's a great player. I had him on my main fantasy team so I watched him a lot. He's way better than I thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 is SF up there with Torrey Smith, Anquan Boldin, & Vernon Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 So answer this- the bills receivers are magically placed on the colts this season. At the end of the year are those three in the discussion for best in the league? Or do you think luck is like, "coach i'm sorry I can't work with these guys?" My guess is the former. And I'd bet ya Robert woods would end up with a hell of a lot more than 640 yards. There's just such a dramatic disparity in qb play that it's impossible to tell. My point is that the Bills WRs have done nothing to prove they are an elite unit. Nothing. Sammy is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class and he cost 2 first round picks. Woods is not in the top five of his draft class. Percy is on what his 5th team in 4 years? I can't keep up. Goodwin and Hogan are not even worth discussing. Yet somehow when they don the Bills uni's they are unbeatable??? They are an average WR squad nothing more. No fans believe more hype in the off season than Buffalo fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 My point is that the Bills WRs have done nothing to prove they are an elite unit. Nothing. Sammy is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class and he cost 2 first round picks. Woods is not in the top five of his draft class. Percy is on what his 5th team in 4 years? I can't keep up. Goodwin and Hogan are not even worth discussing. Yet somehow when they don the Bills uni's they are unbeatable??? They are an average WR squad nothing more. No fans believe more hype in the off season than Buffalo fans. If you think Sammy Watkins is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class you know nothing about NFL football. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 If you think Sammy Watkins is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class you know nothing about NFL football. Nothing. Â 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Â Indy's receiving unit is highly overrated in my opinion and is a result of Luck's brilliance. IMO Hilton is the most overrated WR in the NFL today. Giants have a much better receiving unit in Victor Cruz, Shane Vereen, and Odell Beckham. Â Â Indy added 7X pro bowler Andre Johnson and used their 2015 1st round pick on WR Phillip Dorsett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 And..... We are yet to see where Rex is on a bunch of roster spots taken by ST only guys. Easley is a gunner only. While darn good at it, the impact a gunner can make on a game is 1-2 plays and on average probably less than 20 yards of field position per game. Imagine the impact having a bad gunnerMy point is that the Bills WRs have done nothing to prove they are an elite unit. Nothing. Sammy is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class and he cost 2 first round picks. Woods is not in the top five of his draft class. Percy is on what his 5th team in 4 years? I can't keep up. Goodwin and Hogan are not even worth discussing. Yet somehow when they don the Bills uni's they are unbeatable??? They are an average WR squad nothing more. No fans believe more hype in the off season than Buffalo fans.5th or6th? Â Are you kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Â Â Indy added 7X pro bowler Andre Johnson and used their 2015 1st round pick on WR Phillip Dorsett. Â Again...Indy's WR core is HIGHLY overrated and IMO the Giants WR core is WAY better. I'd take Cruz and Beckham over Johnson and TY any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 If you think Sammy Watkins is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class you know nothing about NFL football. Nothing. Yeah that pretty much did it for me as far as that conversation goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Â Â Indy added 7X pro bowler Andre Johnson and used their 2015 1st round pick on WR Phillip Dorsett. Â Andre Johnson was great in his prime. But that's in the past. I think he'll be a good weapon with Luck, but let's not kid ourselves. He's not what he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Imagine the impact having a bad gunner 5th or6th? Â Are you kidding me? Â Yeah well, he also said that Sammy's production tailed way off at the end of last year...somehow missing that he had 7 catches for 127 yards against Denver, 3 for 75 and a TD against Oakland, and 3 for 57 in a half against NE (including a 42-yarder against Revis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015  Andre Johnson was great in his prime. But that's in the past. I think he'll be a good weapon with Luck, but let's not kid ourselves. He's not what he was.  Exactly...  My top 5 receiver units would be  Giants, Packers, Cowboys, Lions, Cardinals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 It strikes me as rather silly to put so much weight on QB play when debating which team has the best receiving corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 My point is that the Bills WRs have done nothing to prove they are an elite unit. Nothing. Sammy is the 5th or 6th best WR in his draft class and he cost 2 first round picks. Woods is not in the top five of his draft class. Percy is on what his 5th team in 4 years? I can't keep up. Goodwin and Hogan are not even worth discussing. Yet somehow when they don the Bills uni's they are unbeatable??? They are an average WR squad nothing more. No fans believe more hype in the off season than Buffalo fans. Sammy is 5th or 6th best WR in his class? Apparently Bills fans shouldn't be so worried about believing hype as much as lacking football knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 It strikes me as rather silly to put so much weight on QB play when debating which team has the best receiving corps. Â Â That's my point and I feel like people really struggle to separate it. Nelson & Cobb had some experience without Rodgers in 2013 and they didn't exactly light the world on fire, not to mention their 3rd WR/question mark at TE. It's been talked about before, but we have the capability to put 5 guys out on routes (including Shady) that can beat one on one coverage consistently. Jeremy Ross or the ghost of Wes Welker isn't doing that. Â I'll kowtow to the "lack of results" but I firmly believe we've got the potential to be in the discussion for the top of the list. I recognize Nationally no one is going to give us anything until we take it. Â As for last year's receiver class, I still wouldn't trade Sammy straight up for ODB. I'd probably do it for Evans just because he brings a different element to our offense with his size but I surely wouldn't trade him for Benjamin, Landry, Jordan Matthews or whatever other receiver looked good with a better QB and better coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) This is just such a chicken and the egg conversation. Ya know how the Penguins always get a free agent winger to play alongside Crosby and his numbers are always inflated? Chris Kunitz, Pascal Dupuis, Hornqvist, et al? Did those guys magically become better players overnight upon getting signed by the Penguins? No. Would Tyler Ennis average a point a game if he skated with Crosby? Of course. But Tyler Ennis is Tyler Ennis. We know how good he is because we actually watch him play hockey. If you watch Robert Woods play football it is pretty apparent (at least to those of whom that understand the game) that he is a good receiver. His numbers almost don't mean s**t in this discussion. Does anyone here think that if Robert Woods was Tom Brady's slot receiver he wouldn't be drafted in the third round of everyone's fantasy draft this year? But instead he's Cassel/Manuel/Taylor's receiver so he won't get drafted at all. Last year against Houston he was targeted 12 times and caught 3 balls for 17 yards, almost having a temper tantrum because his quarterback was so incredibly inept. Is that an indictment against Robert Woods? Would a guy like Randall Cobb have put up better numbers that day? Does anyone here think that if Beckham was on the Bills and Watkins was on the Giants last year, that there numbers wouldn't have been a little closer? Bottom line, if you look at sheer talent, all things being equal, the Bills are a top 5 receiving unit in the NFL and no one is going to convince me otherwise. You got two first rounders and a second rounder, none of whom have underperformed their draft position thus far- rather their numbers have been affected by the situations they've been in. Edited May 18, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 It strikes me as rather silly to put so much weight on QB play when debating which team has the best receiving corps.I normally try to chalk it up as with all else equal who would perform the best, when looking at these.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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