Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 It was as it stands right now, imo. Btw Sammy is still only 21 yrs old. Crazy ceiling. Yeah, the book hasn't been written, we're through the introduction and maybe chapter 1. Would it be nice to have a 1st round pick this year? Yup, it sure would. Would that pick turn into a difference maker? It might. Am I as frustrated as the next fan by the long playoff drought? Hell yes, but, building a team isn't as easy as cooking a hot pocket. I think they're on the right track, including Watkins, and with a couple breaks the sky is the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Considering his many good catches and his help in preventing at least 5 INT's on poor throws, so far I would say yes. lets see if he has a sophomore slump and give him another season before judging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I say no. its just not good business to give away what the future might offer. Now in this pick I would like to think Whaley had scouted far enough ahead to see what was up and coming for this year and made an educated decision. Now on the other hand can Sammy be all that? Thats a question i cant answer yet. But i am surely a fan and hope his ceiling will be made known sooner than later. I love the kid actually : ) But no it was not a smart move at that point in time. allow me to change my mind though when he gets all pro 3 years running if we ever get a qb worth a nickel. Team game. and you guys are full of koolaid again. usually its me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I say no. its just not good business to give away what the future might offer. Now in this pick I would like to think Whaley had scouted far enough ahead to see what was up and coming for this year and made an educated decision. Now on the other hand can Sammy be all that? Thats a question i cant answer yet. But i am surely a fan and hope his ceiling will be made known sooner than later. I love the kid actually : ) But no it was not a smart move at that point in time. allow me to change my mind though when he gets all pro 3 years running if we ever get a qb worth a nickel. Team game. and you guys are full of koolaid again. usually its me FWIW, the intial scouting for next year's draft is already complete. Whaley knew what this draft was going to look like prior to making the deal. He probably could have used last year's 2nd instead of this year's 1st if he thought this draft was that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 It isn't kool aid. Watkins is a great and talented WR and we went up to get him. Odell Beckhams talent has no impact on that, and if anyone would have suspected such talent, we might have traded up for beckham. Either way we trade up for a WR. You can't have it both ways. You can't allow the Bills to be the only team that saw Beckham as the best WR in the draft, and still draft him at 9. It only works like that in hindsight. That said, the book has not even closed yet, on who will be the best WR in that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 FWIW, the intial scouting for next year's draft is already complete. Whaley knew what this draft was going to look like prior to making the deal. He probably could have used last year's 2nd instead of this year's 1st if he thought this draft was that good. I suspected that was protocol. It would be wise to look ahead long term and grade out potential. its a risk of course but due diligence can reap rewards i suspect. i suspect Whaley considers Watkins a very very good investment. I might agree to that. just not yet : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I say no. its just not good business to give away what the future might offer. Now in this pick I would like to think Whaley had scouted far enough ahead to see what was up and coming for this year and made an educated decision. Now on the other hand can Sammy be all that? Thats a question i cant answer yet. But i am surely a fan and hope his ceiling will be made known sooner than later. I love the kid actually : ) But no it was not a smart move at that point in time. allow me to change my mind though when he gets all pro 3 years running if we ever get a qb worth a nickel. Team game. and you guys are full of koolaid again. usually its me but isnt that what you are doing when you draft anyway? Getting players for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) I suspected that was protocol. It would be wise to look ahead long term and grade out potential. its a risk of course but due diligence can reap rewards i suspect. i suspect Whaley considers Watkins a very very good investment. I might agree to that. just not yet : ) Fair enough, the reality is that they must have liked people like CK better than guys at about the 20 range this year. If they would have done better in the 2nd last year (not ready to write off CK but he has a lot to prove) I would have really loved it. Imagine if you had Watkins and your 1st and all that you had to sacrifice was Kouandjio? Edited April 29, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 but isnt that what you are doing when you draft anyway? Getting players for the future? Perhaps the point was that we get one less of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 It isn't kool aid. Watkins is a great and talented WR and we went up to get him. Odell Beckhams talent has no impact on that, and if anyone would have suspected such talent, we might have traded up for beckham. Either way we trade up for a WR. You can't have it both ways. You can't allow the Bills to be the only team that saw Beckham as the best WR in the draft, and still draft him at 9. It only works like that in hindsight. That said, the book has not even closed yet, on who will be the best WR in that draft. Why is he great? he was very good. And i am not comparing him to anyone. Now keep in mind, i am a fan . but we did not use him to his strengths last year, and he was injured not playing to potential. you are on the koolaids brother. better to admit it . That said i look forward to an amazing year from him under some real NFL coaching under Roman !! but isnt that what you are doing when you draft anyway? Getting players for the future? or playing to win now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 It's really quite simple: when you do fix the OL and QB, you want them to have established talent to work with. You may not agree with that, but let's be honest: it won them some games last year. BillsVet: I think we're in the minority here on this one!!! Wouldn't be the 1st time! I just don't think you build a contender trading away picks. Bandit: Well, that's kind of like buying high perf. 160 mph rated Pirelli s before getting the Porsche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Fair enough, the reality is that they must have like people like CK better than guys at about the 20 range this year. If they would have done better in the 2nd last year (not ready to write off CK but he has a lot to prove) I would have really loved it. Imagine if you had Watkins and your 1st and all that you had to sacrifice was Kouandjio? I think i am going to agree. If the O line had panned out better , some of us naysaers { ? ) would not be able to defend a no vote. I need to mention Marrone at this point. and how he mishandled the Offense. Sammy et al could have been much more effective with some thoughtful coaching. Thats why i am a wait and see type of fella on the offense as a whole : ) BillsVet: I think we're in the minority here on this one!!! Wouldn't be the 1st time! I just don't think you build a contender trading away picks. Bandit: Well, that's kind of like buying high perf. 160 mph rated Pirelli s before getting the Porsche? Now we are talking my language> i always upgrade my brakes before I turn up the boost. Its not easy stopping on a dime from 170. i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Bandit: Well, that's kind of like buying high perf. 160 mph rated Pirelli s before getting the Porsche? Are the Pirelli's not better than the worn down NTB's that slide all over the road even in dry conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think i am going to agree. If the O line had panned out better , some of us naysaers { ? ) would not be able to defend a no vote. I need to mention Marrone at this point. and how he mishandled the Offense. Sammy et al could have been much more effective with some thoughtful coaching. Thats why i am a wait and see type of fella on the offense as a whole : ) Now we are talking my language> i always upgrade my brakes before I turn up the boost. Its not easy stopping on a dime from 170. i know. Well, Marrone reportedly did walk out on the draft after the Watkins pick. So he wasn't very happy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Well, Marrone reportedly did walk out on the draft after the Watkins pick. So he wasn't very happy either. That goes to show it actually was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Are the Pirelli's not better than the worn down NTB's that slide all over the road even in dry conditions? On a Chevy Vega/Ford Maverick??? LOL. I guess, maybe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 In any other year he would've been worth it but considering how deep last year's WR class was, I don't think he was worth trading up for. But it happened, it's done, time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Well, Marrone reportedly did walk out on the draft after the Watkins pick. So he wasn't very happy either. LOL. Marrone. say no more. guy f'd the team imo. 9-7 was a ploy. should been 11 wins plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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