NoSaint Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Does the CBA and slotting prohibit, say, a 4th round pick to have escalators in it that in their second year they can achieve a first or second round bonus if they hit certain incentives, like staying out of jail and starting X number of games? If imagine so, or players could then hold out for huge escalators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 If imagine so, or players could then hold out for huge escalators Yeah I imagine so, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureBillsGM Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Per Rapaport he would not be eligible for the draft next year and would be a free agent  Crabtree technically still had college eligibility (even though he couldn't play per NCAA rules) which Collins does not. Edited May 1, 2015 by FutureBillsGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Per Rapaport he would not be eligible for the draft next year and would be a free agent  Crabtree technically still had college eligibility (even though he couldn't play per NCAA rules) which Collins does not. Even better for him then, in theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Â Poor comparison. AH killed someone 3 years after he was drafted. Collins could theoretically be arrested tomorrow for a murder everyone knows he's being investigated for today. If that happened there most certainly would be a PR mess for the league and the team who drafted him. That's why I don't think he gets drafted at all. Â If this was 25 years ago when the NFL had mavericks like Al Davis and no one cared about DV, then sure. But it's a different world today. Â The team will have wasted a 2nd rounder (not as badly as, say, the Bills did with Troupe). There would be no other social repercussions for the team. "You drafted a murderer!"? I don't see it. No one will care. Not their fault. Fans would be angry over the wasted pick, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I think the risk is worth the potential value. He is starting against the Colts if he is cleared of legal issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 0 chance he falls to 50. They have already submitted his whereabouts with a list of witnesses to the police. lol he is there right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Â The team will have wasted a 2nd rounder (not as badly as, say, the Bills did with Troupe). There would be no other social repercussions for the team. "You drafted a murderer!"? I don't see it. No one will care. Not their fault. Fans would be angry over the wasted pick, that's all. Â Of course people will care, because the media will care. If the guy is arrested tomorrow it will be on page 5 of the sport section and then no one will care. But if he's drafted and that happens, it's no longer a sports story, it's a sensationalized MSM story, all over the stupid morning news shows and front page on the tabloids. "Another football thug arrested for murdering girlfriend hours after NFL ignores ongoing investigation and drafts him anyway". Sports talk radio will blather about it for hours. Then we'll get a week of 'Apparently they didn't learn anything from Ray Rice and all the other DV issues last year' stories. Â The only way anyone drafts him is if they have received some assurance -- based on whatever knowledge they may have -- that he's innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Â Of course people will care, because the media will care. If the guy is arrested tomorrow it will be on page 5 of the sport section and then no one will care. But if he's drafted and that happens, it's no longer a sports story, it's a sensationalized MSM story, all over the stupid morning news shows and front page on the tabloids. "Another football thug arrested for murdering girlfriend hours after NFL ignores ongoing investigation and drafts him anyway". Sports talk radio will blather about it for hours. Then we'll get a week of 'Apparently they didn't learn anything from Ray Rice and all the other DV issues last year' stories. Â The only way anyone drafts him is if they have received some assurance -- based on whatever knowledge they may have -- that he's innocent. Â And then it will quickly die. Really, a team takes him, and the police, at their word that he is not a suspect. What happens after that happens. He gets arrested?---there is a wiping of the hands as he is quickly dropped from the team/league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @theadvocatebr: Infant child of slain mother Brittney Mills has died, Baton Rouge police report. Details: http://t.co/oRkvzpMaUChttp://t.co/FVNriODPsY Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I wouldn't touch him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Â And then it will quickly die. Really, a team takes him, and the police, at their word that he is not a suspect. What happens after that happens. He gets arrested?---there is a wiping of the hands as he is quickly dropped from the team/league. Â Â That's simply not how major corporate entities like the NFL view risk and PR, especially when they've recently been burned. They can't predict or control how a story will be interpreted by the media or what story will quickly die. Everyone thought Ray Rice would quickly die too. They can't continue to have news cycles devoted to its employees' ongoing problems with domestic violence without it creating big problems at some point. Â And they aren't going to risk that because some guy might be a value pick in the 3d round. He also might be a bust. Â If he's innocent, hopefully someone takes him because he got screwed by circumstance. But no one is going to do that blindly in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I'd go Jackson instead.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 No team will use a premium pick (3rd or earlier) on Collins unless they have proof that he's innocent. A later round pick you can justify spending/wasting. And if he's not taken tonight, it's probably a bad sign for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Read. Whole story on Collins. Â @theMMQB: .@RobertKlemko: "an educated guess: Lael Collins will get drafted today in Chicago." http://t.co/OPhonExdqvhttp://t.co/lr4zi6U8oF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) This guy was easy 1st round pick. Until just weeks before the draft an ex girlfriend is murdered in a city he wasn't even present. Police want to interview him and say he's not suspect ....pretty much SOP. And the league blackballs him? So the guy says screw it, I'm innocent and if I'm not drafted in top 3 rounds I'm not playing.  Its my understanding if we draft him now in 7th per the CBA we could only pay him 7th round money, which he won't accept. Assuming he goes undrafted, how about offer him a free agent contract with the 3rd money he wants, but make it heavily incentive-laden on him not becoming a defendant in the murder case? Saves face for him that he gets paid what he thinks he's at least worth, and if he's innocent than the out clauses won't matter. Bills pickup 1st round talent in position of need, and quite possibly get a pro bowl caliber stud at a deep discount  Doug, get er done! Edited May 2, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Capped by the rookie pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Capped by the rookie poolUDFA's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Capped by the rookie pool Can't you renegotiate after one year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Can't you renegotiate after one year? He'd be giving a team RFA rights, but yea. UDFA's? Yup. I believe the current rule gives them all league minimum and a team gets X amount to distribute as signing bonus to entice guys. Like 75-100k? So you could give 1 major target the bulk of the bonus pool or split it among several guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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