billsfan89 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 My reason for hating preseason: Injuries. That's all. 2 games would suffice for me The starters only really play in 2 of the games. In game 1 they maybe play two series and in game 4 they don't play. It's arbitrary to think that cutting back on 2 pre-season games would mean starters would play that much less. Having those two extra games doesn't bother me, it's filler but a lot of the fringe players could use the playing time to make the team or practice squad. It also gives coaches more time to examine the deeper parts of the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Do you have season tickets? If so, for how long?.............Have you addressed what I said in all the mumbo jumbo of memory erasers, etc. that you said? I wish I could help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The games are far from meaningless. Many player's lives/careers depend on these games. Coaches, players, front office staffs all need these games to build continuity. As a fan of course they are tough sit through because we are anxious for the real thing. However, football is the ultimate team game and so much of the quality product we see in the beginning of the regular season is built from the training camp/preseason timeframe. They are meaningless from a fans standpoint. Most team developing is from training camp, not from games. Games don't have game plans, you aren't on the field with players you would be on with during the regular season...., they are mostly useless. well said.. i might add that much of the poor quality of play we see to start the season is the result of a truncated pre-season used primarily to develop a roster, rather than practice game concepts against live competition... this has been limited to approximately the first 2-3 quarters of the third game. What poor quality at the beginning of the season? Can you qualify that comment with actual facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Because Spring Training games are not played in home city and those fans don't have to pay for them. Not the same thing Yes. And, how about comparing football to football. College and high school teams don't play preseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As a kid, growing up in a large family (8 kids), and parents of medium income, I can tell you, pre-season games, as silly as they may seem, always meant the world to me. My dad was a cop, and a war vet. Every summer, he was bound to get some free tickets. He and my uncle would take me and my brother...it was right up there with Crystal Beach as an annual summer highlight for me. I always get nostalgic for August football...the last gasp of fun before the school and winter doldrums set in...sure regular season is better (absurd they charge full price for exhibition games)...all part of the pacing of the season...I'll never complain! It is a myth that they charge full price for preseason games at least for the Bills. If you buy season tickets they give you a discount on each game from the actual face value of the ticket so that the 2 preseason games are free. Also, the 2nd game is usually kids day. I think kids get in for $10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The past few years there has been a ramped up view of doing away with a couple of preseason games & adding a couple games to the regular season , which i really have a hard time understanding why so many people hate the preseason games !! I get it that there could be a season ending injury to key players but that could happen weather the game is in regular or pre season . If the players body is weak in one area it's gonna happen . Heck even Kiko last year , he was just working out & we all know what happened to him . I think that the preseason games play a huge roll in implementation of the offensive & defensive schemes , unless of coarse the team has the same coordinator for a long period of time which our beloved Bills haven't had the luxury of . Then nothing really changes & you just add some wrinkles here & there . It's like any thing else right , you can practice all you want but until you are in a "live bullet" (I love Bob Seger) situation with the opponent really trying to stop you , you can't really tell how your execution of the scheme is going to work . It's kind of like drafting a QB out of college . Sure Tim Teabow was one of the most winning QB's the Gators ever had , so was Warfeul at his school , so was Schuler , but until they were on the field in live action (i love the turtle man) you never know how they will perform . Isn't that the same as the schemes of the offense & defense coordinators on a NFL team ? Too isn't that the same thing as the coaches saying the players can come into camp in shape but they aren't in "Football/Game shape" ? Maybe they should adopt a rule that only the teams with new HC's & staff are the teams that need to have preseason games . But there again will the players be in "Football Shape" ? Another thing is how can a staff figure out if a rookie looks good ? Like Mayock says they can look good in shorts but you don't know until they are in pads . I think the only way coaches can figure if a player can or will adjust to the NFL is if they can see them play against other NFLers ! In Live Action ( Love Turtle man) I would rather have that than have them put a player on a roster & it take half the season to figure out if that roster spot was a waste . Which i know that happens especially at the QB position , but isn't it easier to determine if a players skills will translate to the NFL by a coach with more in game experience to see ? I don't know i like to see the preseason games if for nothing else to see the rookies & how they are going to pan out . Not to mention the Fans need to get into Tail gating shape . Do you know the injuries that can happen from just being thrown into a tail gate situation with no Pre TG experience ? https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVvJbZSlVfAsALAcnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&va=Bills+tailgating&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001 I was wondering this because of a article i read on Rumblings saying that Galliford didn't like preseason games & was wondering the over all thought of the hate for preseason games ... I actually think they are very helpful, especially since we have been turning over coaches like flap-jacks at IHOP the last decade or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As far as the pricing goes, aren't kids tickets on kid's day like 8 bucks or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It is a myth that they charge full price for preseason games at least for the Bills. If you buy season tickets they give you a discount on each game from the actual face value of the ticket so that the 2 preseason games are free. Also, the 2nd game is usually kids day. I think kids get in for $10. I'll take your word on that...I haven't had season tickets since 1988. I just hear so many here complain about it, I assumed it to be true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The "family" game is the best experience if you have young children - better than a regular season game in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It is a myth that they charge full price for preseason games at least for the Bills. If you buy season tickets they give you a discount on each game from the actual face value of the ticket so that the 2 preseason games are free. Also, the 2nd game is usually kids day. I think kids get in for $10. When did this all start? I asked KD but he never answered me.............AFAIK, your season tickets get charged the full freight for the Kids day game, even though you can buy public seats for kids at $10 or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 When did this all start? I asked KD but he never answered me.............AFAIK, your season tickets get charged the full freight for the Kids day game, even though you can buy public seats for kids at $10 or whatever. I don't know when they started charging for preseason games or at what point the price printed on the preseason ticket was close/equal to the price on the regular season ticket -- but it doesn't really matter. It is a season ticket and the team has decided to charge $XXX for that season ticket. Whether they make the face value of particular games higher or lower than other games is not meaningful. Again, if it makes you feel better or you need to justify your purchase decision, just pretend the regular season games cost 25% more and the preseason are free. As someone pointed out above, they're not likely to charge you less for the season ticket if one pre-season game was permanently eliminated (unless you think they are going to be able to pay the players less, which is unlikely), so the "we have to pay for it" argument doesn't really hold water as a reason to reduce the # of pre-season games. Somehow the two issues always seem to get tied together which is unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yet, when Toronto would get the preseason game, we would pay less. As for your first sentence, they have charged for the preseason games for at least 30 years - the amount of time we've had season tickets. I'm sure before that, as well. And, I do already divide by 8 to get my real cost per ticket. Doesn't mean it would be less if they didn't play the preseason (see Toronto years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yet, when Toronto would get the preseason game, we would pay less. As for your first sentence, they have charged for the preseason games for at least 30 years - the amount of time we've had season tickets. I'm sure before that, as well. And, I do already divide by 8 to get my real cost per ticket. Doesn't mean it would be less if they didn't play the preseason (see Toronto years) They were making up the Toronto revenue by selling tickets to that game. But if they simply eliminated a preseason game as many are advocating, the teams would not simply accept a 10% decrease in ticket revenue. They would raise prices further to make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Preseason games were initially designed to get players who had other jobs during the offseason and didn't come back in great shape into playing shape. Since players are full time, highly paid athletes now who follow offseason workout and nutrition regiments for the most part, 4 games is basically a waste. 2 games would be much better, and would fit in nicely by expanding the regular season to 18 games. However, the NFLPA will never allow that to happen without the players getting an additional 2 game checks, which the NFL would definitely balk at... +1 They were making up the Toronto revenue by selling tickets to that game. But if they simply eliminated a preseason game as many are advocating, the teams would not simply accept a 10% decrease in ticket revenue. They would raise prices further to make it up. How do you figure that? There are 2 preseaon games and 2 more regular season games. Still the same amount of ticket sales. As for game checks. There salary would would be divided by 18 rather than 16. So I don't see a problem there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 +1 How do you figure that? There are 2 preseaon games and 2 more regular season games. Still the same amount of ticket sales. As for game checks. There salary would would be divided by 18 rather than 16. So I don't see a problem there. They are playing 2 more games for the same pay. If I was a player I would ask for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I am always holding my breath on every single play. "Please god get up." "Please god dont get hurt." "Please dont try so hard." And the idea of hoping my team doesnt try too hard makes it borderline unwatchable. I'm not enjoying any of it. Except the 3rd preseason game. That's the only one thats close to real football. But I'm still worried about injuries. The problem is, the preseason isn't there to entertain fans...its purpose its not for fan enjoyment...thats what the regular season is for. Its for coaches to implement their systems, figure out the roster, tweak their schemes, get guys ready to play when the games matter, etc etc. Most coaches want those 4 games, so I have real doubts they will ever reduce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 They were making up the Toronto revenue by selling tickets to that game. But if they simply eliminated a preseason game as many are advocating, the teams would not simply accept a 10% decrease in ticket revenue. They would raise prices further to make it up. I've been talking about the way things have been not. Not what they might do - and I don't think they'll eliminate two games. I did really think they were going to get the 18 regular/2 preseason thing going, but not now with all the injury concerns. They won't eliminate the preseason games, because they are a cash cow. Season ticket holders pay full price for garbage and the players basically get paid a stipend. Not their regular salary. It's a total ripoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I don't know when they started charging for preseason games or at what point the price printed on the preseason ticket was close/equal to the price on the regular season ticket -- but it doesn't really matter. It is a season ticket and the team has decided to charge $XXX for that season ticket. Whether they make the face value of particular games higher or lower than other games is not meaningful. Again, if it makes you feel better or you need to justify your purchase decision, just pretend the regular season games cost 25% more and the preseason are free. As someone pointed out above, they're not likely to charge you less for the season ticket if one pre-season game was permanently eliminated (unless you think they are going to be able to pay the players less, which is unlikely), so the "we have to pay for it" argument doesn't really hold water as a reason to reduce the # of pre-season games. Somehow the two issues always seem to get tied together which is unfortunate. You do get a discount though. If I would by same exact seats for all 8 games on an individual basis it would cost me like $140 more for the 8 games then if I just bought season tickets. So basically by purchasing a season ticket your getting the 2 preseason games for free. I mean I don't go to the preseason games so I am not enjoying that benefit but it is a myth that the Bills charge full price for season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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