Not at the table Karlos Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 If Richie is good at LG , the draft and a trade before the final cut down for a OL man still looks ok. Ritchie and urbik are better at RG. The hole is at LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Ritchie and urbik are better at RG. The hole is at LG Urbik agree, but IIRC he does not get great marks as a run blocking RG. He's "meh" to "OK" there at best. Incognito, would like to understand why you say that. He played RG with the Rams and was inconsistent. His best years were with the Dolphins, where he played 3 1/2 years at LG and went to the probowl -also as a LG http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/I/IncoRi20.htm If we aren't "mixing sh** up" for the sake of mixing sh** up, the line would currently look like Henderson or Kujo (RT), Williams or Urbik (RG), Wood ©, Incognito (LG), Glenn (LT) Hopefully we draft a couple of good OLmen. If we do I'm thinking Richardson may get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I think we have to put alot of weight upon the coaching upgrades. as mentioned in last years man schemes O line was not getting leverage even one on one. Its going to be a concern for me. I see Felton as big help but not so much from Gragg or Gray. Williams remains a question mark for me. I can see Bills needing two guards still. Even If Richie is a starter. which i think he will be. at left guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I think we have to put alot of weight upon the coaching upgrades. as mentioned in last years man schemes O line was not getting leverage even one on one. Its going to be a concern for me. I see Felton as big help but not so much from Gragg or Gray. Williams remains a question mark for me. I can see Bills needing two guards still. Even If Richie is a starter. which i think he will be. at left guard If the Bills take a tackle at 50, do you think Kujo, Henderson or Glenn could fill a need at guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) If the Bills take a tackle at 50, do you think Kujo, Henderson or Glenn could fill a need at guard? This is an annoying question for me. Not personal to you . But the Glenn to guard just grates on me. Can Henderson move inside I sure could not guess that. But if the coaches see fit, well so be it. But if it turns out anything like the Pears Project ? Ugghh. Kujo , that would be sweet if he could develop into a BU or better guard or at least swing tackle this year would be fantastic! The fact that Bills went after Bulaga means something , just not sure what. That was a big offer i guess. What are you thinking ? Edited March 29, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 This is an annoying question for me. Not personal to you . But the Glenn to guard just grates on me. Can Henderson move inside I sure could not guess that. But if the coaches see fit, well so be it. But if it turns out anything like the Pears Project ? Ugghh. Kujo , that would be sweet if he could develop into a BU or better guard or at least swing tackle this year would be fantastic! The fact that Bills went after Bulaga means something , just not sure what. That was a big offer i guess. What are you thinking ? The fact they aren't pursuing any more FA guard help makes me think they believe they have the answer on the roster or they're taking him at 50. I've always believed if you can take a tackle, you can upgrade your line at two positions. Glenn was a second rounder, I wonder if someone of his talent level will be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) The fact they aren't pursuing any more FA guard help makes me think they believe they have the answer on the roster or they're taking him at 50. I've always believed if you can take a tackle, you can upgrade your line at two positions. Glenn was a second rounder, I wonder if someone of his talent level will be available. Interesting take . I dont know enough to argue that a reasonable percentage of drafted tackles moved inside succeed or not. Thats a scouting issue i would guess? and talking about that and our line is already in another thread !! Henderson is the ? to me currently. can he get a good step up this offseason under the new regime ? This might a truly BPA draft and then you get the best player you can get of course. On that i will agree. even if its not an area of need. Build the depth Edited March 29, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Power man under Roman Zone scheme under Marrone Gailey uses zone based schemes out of spread forms This is exactly why guys like Richardson and Kouandjio have a better chance at succeeding under this regime, compared to the last regime. It is also why I don't think LG Evan Mathis and his 290 pound frame is a good fit for this scheme...Roman's LG in San Francisco (Iupati) was 350 lbs. Urbik agree, but IIRC he does not get great marks as a run blocking RG. He's "meh" to "OK" there at best. Incognito, would like to understand why you say that. He played RG with the Rams and was inconsistent. His best years were with the Dolphins, where he played 3 1/2 years at LG and went to the probowl -also as a LG http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/I/IncoRi20.htm If we aren't "mixing sh** up" for the sake of mixing sh** up, the line would currently look like Henderson or Kujo (RT), Williams or Urbik (RG), Wood ©, Incognito (LG), Glenn (LT) Hopefully we draft a couple of good OLmen. If we do I'm thinking Richardson may get cut. Isn't Incognito a better run-blocker, and Williams a better pass-blocker...which would make sense to have Incognito at RG, and Williams at LG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Our OL was not bad in 2013 under Marrone. We basically had one spot really bring our PFF rating from top 15 to 22nd that year. Legursky helped a little. It was bad in 2014 because of all the moving players around. Henderson had a few really tough matchups last year which hurt his grade, Wake, Justin Houston, Von Miller, and Mack. He was pretty solid most of the time. Edited March 30, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 This is exactly why guys like Richardson and Kouandjio have a better chance at succeeding under this regime, compared to the last regime. It is also why I don't think LG Evan Mathis and his 290 pound frame is a good fit for this scheme...Roman's LG in San Francisco (Iupati) was 350 lbs. Isn't Incognito a better run-blocker, and Williams a better pass-blocker...which would make sense to have Incognito at RG, and Williams at LG? Henderson to Guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 This is exactly why guys like Richardson and Kouandjio have a better chance at succeeding under this regime, compared to the last regime. I'm hoping we see some positive results with Kouandijo after the time he's spent in that O-Line camp. Did anyone else notice that there's an Arie Kouandijo, an OG also from Alabama, in the draft for this year? Must be Cyrus's brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Henderson to Guard? At 6'7" he's probably too tall, and I don't think he's ever played inside at any point in his career, so it would be a real gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Not sure if sarcasm or agreeing... Love the Sarcasm. Keep it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 At 6'7" he's probably too tall, and I don't think he's ever played inside at any point in his career, so it would be a real gamble. He played Guard in College at certain points, obviously, leverage was an issue. Sure, it would be a gamble, but Roman has proven successful with bigger guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Roman has proven successful with bigger guards Alex Boone, another guy with a lot of baggage who turned it around. http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/alex-boones-remarkable-journey Edited March 29, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 He played Guard in College at certain points, obviously, leverage was an issue. Sure, it would be a gamble, but Roman has proven successful with bigger guardsI think they have settled on their tackles at least for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 This is sad and funny as hell. Sadly, I agree. i remain puzzled how they couldn't handle a simple stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 This is an annoying question for me. Not personal to you . But the Glenn to guard just grates on me. Can Henderson move inside I sure could not guess that. But if the coaches see fit, well so be it. But if it turns out anything like the Pears Project ? Ugghh. Kujo , that would be sweet if he could develop into a BU or better guard or at least swing tackle this year would be fantastic! The fact that Bills went after Bulaga means something , just not sure what. That was a big offer i guess. What are you thinking ? Maybe this is the same as the annoyance you feel. I believe that a big, hulking behemoth who can play as an effective run blocking, pulling guard is rare. The guy basically has to train to run bent at the knees because otherwise his center of gravity is against him and it's too easy for defenders to get their hands under his pads and pop him on his ass like a drunk at an oyster bar popping them out of their shells. Kujo is a big guy - 6'7" I think? And relatively slow. 5.6 sec 40. He was strictly LT in college. Just like Pears, who is 6'8", relatively slow, and also not that heavy (316), I don't think he's the stuff that capable guards are made of. I could of course, be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 This is a much more experienced and proven coaching staff. draftees are cheap especially by the second round, you're not spending much on a 4 year deal. This organization has spent more in free agency than ever before, but more importantly we are closer to the cap than I've ever seen. With 6.92 mil left and you need $5 mil for any draft, we are in great shape. We added some serious weapons to the offense, and we;ll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 At 6'7" he's probably too tall, and I don't think he's ever played inside at any point in his career, so it would be a real gamble. But Pears is 6'8" and played OG last year. Oh, wait a minute.......never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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