eball Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Wanted to start a dedicated thread regarding salary cap projections and questions, since it seems bit and pieces of cap information are scattered throughout various threads. If the mods agree, perhaps pin this for easy reference? This morning on spotrac the Bills show a projected cap space figure of 30.9M. Why does CJ Spiller cost the Bills 2.1M even if he doesn't re-sign? Is it because he didn't exercise his option and his bonus was originally pro-rated over the full length of the deal? From this data I can compile a quick list of the players (besides the obvious ones) I think are most unlikely to be cut, despite what some have perceived as below average performance: EJ Manuel (5.2M dead money vs. 2.4M cap savings -- a net loss of 2.8M) Eric Wood (5.4M DM vs. 6.6M CS -- net gain of only 1.2M) Chris Williams (2.6M DM vs. 3.25M CS -- net gain of only 0.65M) Conversely, here are the players who provide the biggest net gain in cap $ if they are released (I'm not including the obvious high quality starters here): McKelvin (net gain 2.9M) Urbik (net gain 2.35M) Chandler (net gain 2.25M) And then there's Fred. Cap savings of 2.58M if he is released. Not suggesting or proposing they do this at all, but it's a relatively big number. Otherwise, the Bills' cap looks to be in pretty damn good shape, and they have lots to work with. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 for spiller - yea, he had a bonus that was prorated into the final year. Otherwise, the Bills' cap looks to be in pretty damn good shape, and they have lots to work with. Thoughts? youd be hard pressed to find anything contrary to the bills cap situation being very team friendly. the closest thing to a knock would be that we probably could have been more aggressive previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I can work with $30M in cap space so that pretty much means $25M cap space for UFA since you have to set aside $5M or so for draft pick signings CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I think that pretty much confirms my suspicion that so long as Williams is healthy Urbik is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) I can work with $30M in cap space so that pretty much means $25M cap space for UFA since you have to set aside $5M or so for draft pick signings CBF which in this years free agency means nearly unlimited spending with aggressive structures. they could go high signing bonus and shift stuff into the next few years..... the cap is rumored to jump quite a bit next year (2016). there have been guesses upwards of $160m Edited February 18, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 And then there's Fred. Cap savings of 2.58M if he is released. Not suggesting or proposing they do this at all, but it's a relatively big number. Ugh, I'd hate to cut Fred... but at his age... and the availability of a couple decent backs out there... I could see it. I think that pretty much confirms my suspicion that so long as Williams is healthy Urbik is done. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I think Urbik is better than Williams :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 which in this years free agency means nearly unlimited spending with aggressive structures. they could go high signing bonus and shift stuff into the next few years..... the cap is rumored to jump quite a bit next year (2016). there have been guesses upwards of $160m Would be a dangerous game to make assumptions like that though. If it doesn't you could get yourself into some real trouble quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I can work with $30M in cap space so that pretty much means $25M cap space for UFA since you have to set aside $5M or so for draft pick signings CBF which in this years free agency means nearly unlimited spending with aggressive structures. they could go high signing bonus and shift stuff into the next few years..... the cap is rumored to jump quite a bit next year (2016). there have been guesses upwards of $160m Actually if you click the link, Sportrac has already taken off the money for the 2015 draft picks, as players are pretty much slotted into their pay. So, the Bills have $30 million after paying 2015 draft picks. By a numbers stand point some of those salaries won't even fall into the top 51, so won't count against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Would be a dangerous game to make assumptions like that though. If it doesn't you could get yourself into some real trouble quick. me and you would be blindly guessing. nfl professionals should atleast have a decent ball park. it is going up. what the exact number is may be a little hazy, but i think 32 GMs expect it to bump. Ugh, I'd hate to cut Fred... but at his age... and the availability of a couple decent backs out there... I could see it. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I think Urbik is better than Williams :| they just extended fred. id be surprised if they cut him already. our cap isnt pressing at all. it should be performance based, not need, if they make moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 me and you would be blindly guessing. nfl professionals should atleast have a decent ball park. it is going up. what the exact number is may be a little hazy, but i think 32 GMs expect it to bump. they just extended fred. id be surprised if they cut him already. our cap isnt pressing at all. it should be performance based, not need, if they make moves. Right, I agree with that... but Fred's performance hasn't been starting caliber as of late. I love the guy, but he's old and not very productive at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 me and you would be blindly guessing. nfl professionals should atleast have a decent ball park. it is going up. what the exact number is may be a little hazy, but i think 32 GMs expect it to bump. they just extended fred. id be surprised if they cut him already. our cap isnt pressing at all. it should be performance based, not need, if they make moves. The teams will know within a couple of million dollars I would imagine. They can definitely be aggressive. The TV deal is what it is and that is what really drives the large bump in the cap. The other revenue streams they should have a pretty good estimate based on what each team generated last year. There are no crazy new stadiums coming into play this year are there? I could see being a little hazy if Jerry World and Metlife were opening. I am sure that Levi's added a bump last year. I am not sure if Minnesota is this year or next but I don't see that impacting the cap too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The teams will know within a couple of million dollars I would imagine. They can definitely be aggressive. The TV deal is what it is and that is what really drives the large bump in the cap. The other revenue streams they should have a pretty good estimate based on what each team generated last year. There are no crazy new stadiums coming into play this year are there? I could see being a little hazy if Jerry World and Metlife were opening. I am sure that Levi's added a bump last year. I am not sure if Minnesota is this year or next but I don't see that impacting the cap too much. yea - and while we arent cap experts or insiders on the tv deals, ive got to think that high $150s to $160 number isnt coming out of thin air and is based on some pretty firm deals in place. we can get pretty darn aggressive if its real and not just bloggers repeating each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Right, I agree with that... but Fred's performance hasn't been starting caliber as of late. I love the guy, but he's old and not very productive at this point in his career. Most yards on the Bills in 2014. Best RB blocker. Leader on offense. Captain. No need to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 yea - and while we arent cap experts or insiders on the tv deals, ive got to think that high $150s to $160 number isnt coming out of thin air and is based on some pretty firm deals in place. we can get pretty darn aggressive if its real and not just bloggers repeating each other. Exactly, the Bills are in a really, really good spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 If we restructure mario's contract I believe that can open up like 9 million as well. We could have in the 40 mil range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 If we restructure mario's contract I believe that can open up like 9 million as well. We could have in the 40 mil range. and seems completely unneeded, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Most yards on the Bills in 2014. Best RB blocker. Leader on offense. Captain. No need to cut him. Agree. How much would they really save by cutting him? Plus I think the negative impact would outweigh any cap space saved. I just can't see the Pegulas cutting Fred. Not their style. Edited February 18, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Would be a dangerous game to make assumptions like that though. If it doesn't you could get yourself into some real trouble quick. As others have stated, it should be fairly close to what has been reported. It's not a situation like the NHL's cap where the falling Canadian dollar is a concern. and seems completely unneeded, honestly. Plus, nobody knows if he'd even be open to restructuring. Has it been reported anywhere that he would or wouldn't be willing? If so, I haven't seen it or I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Fast Fred stays as does EJ Manuel Try go sign Hughes at a high but moderate price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Maybe I'm ignorant, but I think Urbik is better than Williams :| I think most on here do. I don't hate Chris Williams though... and our running game all but disappeared the moment he went down. I think his reputation from other stops preceeded him a little in Buffalo I thought he was steady when he was in and Richardson (massively) and then Urbik (less so) were downgrades. There isn't a lot between them in all honesty - the pro for Urbik is he has a better health record the pro for Williams is the salary cap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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