Jobu Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Does anyone know when Orton plans on filing his retirement papers with the NFL? The NFL website is still showing him as an Active player. The reason I ask is due to the cap implications of when he files those papers. If he files before the June 1st deadline we can just write him off with no ramifactions, I believe if he does it after June 1st, there will be a cap hit. http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Not something to worry about, it will be handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Not something to worry about, it will be handled. Who said I was worried? I am mainly curious if anyone has heard anything regarding this. Most players who announce retirement file their papers shortly thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Kyle will dip a feather in whiskey and sign the papers soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There will be a cap hit regardless as I believe his bonus was spread over the two years of his deal Why even worry about it? The Bills hv plenty of cap space and can always create more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Does anyone know when Orton plans on filing his retirement papers with the NFL? The NFL website is still showing him as an Active player. The reason I ask is due to the cap implications of when he files those papers. If he files before the June 1st deadline we can just write him off with no ramifactions, I believe if he does it after June 1st, there will be a cap hit. http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills What I see on the OTC website is we take a cap hit of $1.5M from his pro rated signing bonus whether he retires now or after June 1 or he doesn't retire and we cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 2 people accusing you of worrying! O.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 2 people accusing you of worrying! O.o I must be worried. I am pretty sure if he signs prior to June 1st it is a clean sweep prorated signing bonus and all. If he does it after June 1st then he will have dead money on our cap. Regardless it will definitely be with whiskey and a feather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I must be worried. I am pretty sure if he signs prior to June 1st it is a clean sweep prorated signing bonus and all. If he does it after June 1st then he will have dead money on our cap. Regardless it will definitely be with whiskey and a feather... You have to account for paid out money no matter what, I believe. Or we could give manning a 100m signing bonus and have him retire next year only hitting our cap for 20m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 he said he retired. that's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I think it'll be $1.5 mil in dead money either way and I don’t think it matters when he officially retires. Isn't the post June 1st cut designation just to allow teams to spread out a cap hit over future seasons rather than just taking it all at once? Once money is paid out to a player, it all has to eventually count against the cap. We already gave Uncle Orton the cash so it’s not just going to go away and never count against the cap. I wouldn’t be surprised if he waits as long as possible to file the papers because I assume he is still covered under the league’s health benefits, etc. until he does. So maybe once the new league year starts in March he’ll file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I thought it was interesting when Eric Wood was interviewed about RI on the JMS this week and JM asked him what he had been up to in the offseason. He said he just got back from a trip to Mexico with the Ortons and Urbiks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I thought it was interesting when Eric Wood was interviewed about RI on the JMS this week and JM asked him what he had been up to in the offseason. He said he just got back from a trip to Mexico with the Ortons and Urbiks.I wonder if Orton made a sand turtle. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 he said he retired. that's good enough for me. There was rumors that he doesn't want to go through the grueling off season and training camp and don't be surprised if he shows up at someone's roster at the beginning of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I must be worried. I am pretty sure if he signs prior to June 1st it is a clean sweep prorated signing bonus and all. If he does it after June 1st then he will have dead money on our cap. Regardless it will definitely be with whiskey and a feather... SMTB I don't grok why you are "pretty sure". If you look at OTC, there is no such indication. Go here: http://overthecap.com/player/kyle-orton/639 Under "Dead money and cap savings" toggle to "Cut post June 1". No change. OTC can be wrong, but usually it's pretty accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There was rumors that he doesn't want to go through the grueling off season and training camp and don't be surprised if he shows up at someone's roster at the beginning of the season. when a man like kyle orton says hes retiring, you can take that to the bank. do you think he became the man, the myth, the legend, that he is by being wishy washy and quitting and then showing up last second, and playing like he was still retired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 when a man like kyle orton says hes retiring, you can take that to the bank. do you think he became the man, the myth, the legend, that he is by being wishy washy and quitting and then showing up last second, and playing like he was still retired? Exactly. Orton is the type of guy that will risk his own health to pick up that all important yard. Dude is a warrior and plays for the right reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) You have to account for paid out money no matter what, I believe. Or we could give manning a 100m signing bonus and have him retire next year only hitting our cap for 20m Once money is paid out to a player, it all has to eventually count against the cap. We already gave Uncle Orton the cash so it’s not just going to go away and never count against the cap. SMTB I don't grok why you are "pretty sure". If you look at OTC, there is no such indication. Go here: http://overthecap.com/player/kyle-orton/639 Under "Dead money and cap savings" toggle to "Cut post June 1". No change. OTC can be wrong, but usually it's pretty accurate. I did not see the player specific page, thanks for pointing that out. This is why I posted... Learn something new everyday. Exactly. Orton is the type of guy that will risk his own health to pick up that all important yard. Dude is a warrior and plays for the right reasons. This is precisely what would suck if he does not retire and plans on returning. Surely we can find someone better. Would the Bills even allow it? Part of me wonders if he was just trying to avoid the media circus of our offseason. Edited February 12, 2015 by Show Me The Baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 i heard Orton needed extra time to grow his mustache so he is going to take training camp off and then show up week 1 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 i heard Orton needed extra time to grow his mustache so he is going to take training camp off and then show up week 1 again Only the Bills can treat Kyle Orton like he is Brett Farve. Least favorite Bills QB ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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