Beef Jerky Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Joe Thomas does not however. And he's the guy Hughes made his personal B word throughout that game. Hughes is a product of the D-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sad that people rather win without integrity.. I would rather win a Superbowl with integrity then to stoop to the win at all cost including cheating or loud mouth gold chain bling wearing, taking a fake dump on football douche bags or signing piss poor human beings as players That being said he is appealing this and maybe the charges get dropped. Can we just win first before debating this? That would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hughes is a product of the D-Line. Maybe. But in that game, against one of the best LT in the league, Hughes was one on one with him for most of the game and flat out dominated. Not because of his more acclaimed teammates on the line either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Can we just win first before debating this? That would be nice. no.. I'm in the camp that winning is not that important to me if we have to toss some integrity aside you do not have to debate a single thing, as it not debatable at all for me. If we start signing vicks incognitos rice's in the name of winning then I just will not be capable of being a proud fan. I'll give Incognito a shot but if this franchise start diving into the win at all costs mentality then my days as a fan are numbered. Hey if winning is the most important thing for you then enjoy.. It's not the most important thing to me. Yes it would be nice, but it will be hard to enjoy if more Bills players make the news with negative headlines.. I also clearly said that Hardy is appealing and if its reversed then bring him in. Just do not want scum bags representing the team I love.. win or lose Edited February 9, 2015 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 no.. I'm in the camp that winning is not that important to me if we have to toss some integrity aside you do not have to debate a single thing, as it not debatable at all for me. If we start signing vicks incognitos rice's in the name of winning then I just will not be capable of being a proud fan. I'll give Incognito a shot but if this franchise start diving into the win at all costs mentality then my days as a fan are numbered. Hey if winning is the most important thing for you then enjoy.. It's not the most important thing to me. Yes it would be nice, but it will be hard to enjoy if more Bills players make the news with negative headlines.. I also clearly said that Hardy is appealing and if its reversed then bring him in. Just do not want scum bags representing the team I love.. win or lose If you are looking to NFL players to be stand up people, role models, etc. You are looking in the wrong spot. Every team has players who have shady lives. Most of them are not public for said reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) I think we all know the Pats will sign Hardy, he will enter with fresh legs in week 7 against the Bills and fuel their way to the SB again in the 2nd half of the season, and it will be utterly genius Belichik. Edited February 9, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Not me. I would rather win than lose with integrity. In a perfect world your values could still be upheld and compete. Unfortunately, we live in the real world and not a perfect world. All of the things that you mentioned are now commonplace and part of the game. If you ignore talented players because you don't like something about their personality you will never win in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 For those who wish to remain in pure as the driven snow fandom, let ye forget that The Bills once signed Reggie Rogers a guy that got drunk and killed three teenagers in an automobile accident that was entirely his fault. He didn't work out at all, but it's not like they wouldn't bring him in because they thought he could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hardy can disappear for entire stretches of a game just like Hughes. Because they don't play offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Not me. I would rather win than lose with integrity. In a perfect world your values could still be upheld and compete. Unfortunately, we live in the real world and not a perfect world. All of the things that you mentioned are now commonplace and part of the game. If you ignore talented players because you don't like something about their personality you will never win in today's NFL.I agree, I would prefer to have players with high character and integrity. But the NFL is about winning. And the NFL is full of people with questionable character. Hell, look back to the Bills hay days of the 90's. Kelly, Biscuit, Bruce, Talley, Jeff Wright. Those guys were up to some questionable stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Looks like Hardy will be on the market and available once Free Agency starts... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12300188/charges-vs-greg-hardy-carolina-panthers-tossed Still could be a suspension though... Edited February 9, 2015 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) He was cleared of all charges I am definitely on board with going after him. Not me. I would rather win than lose with integrity. In a perfect world your values could still be upheld and compete. Unfortunately, we live in the real world and not a perfect world. All of the things that you mentioned are now commonplace and part of the game. If you ignore talented players because you don't like something about their personality you will never win in today's NFL. yeah then lets together reshape that reality and make the world a better place. A few of us here and there can start adding up and possibly make the difference in the world I do not understand your mentality at all. It's the " If everyone jumps off a bridge I would too" mentality. If that's the case the patriots cheat, we should cheat too.. Integrity is important, and maybe we should hold it more dear then pushing it aside for something so meaningless as wins in mere game. I just do not understand how anyone can just push it aside. Edited February 9, 2015 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 He was cleared of all charges I am definitely on board with going after him. For someone who is so adamant about integrity it seems peculiar that you're so willing to be okay with Hardy considering the only reason the case was dismissed was because the woman didn't make herself available to the prosecutors. Seems like you are more than willing to overlook someone's dirty past so long as there aren't any convictions. It's hinky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 He was cleared of all charges Just for the sake of honesty, he was not "cleared of all charges" He was actually convicted once. Then when they appealed the initial conviction, the alleded Victim decided not to participate in another trial (AKA she was paid off). So the state didn't have enough evidence to proceed with another trial and dropped the charges. Not really the same thing as being "cleared". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 One insecure overgrown child that can't handle rejection from women is enough.. Grow a pair and believe character and team win over talent if you have good coaching (and a level playing field)... I do think a moron like lil Ritchie deserves a chance but not two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Not me. I would rather win than lose with integrity. In a perfect world your values could still be upheld and compete. Unfortunately, we live in the real world and not a perfect world. All of the things that you mentioned are now commonplace and part of the game. If you ignore talented players because you don't like something about their personality you will never win in today's NFL. Don't embrace punks , that actually assault women and you don't really want to cheat to win either .. TO was a clown and barely tolerable .. Maybe I'm wrong and .. you want Hernandez after he serves a few years for accessory to murder . (That might intimidate a tackler, the threat of being killed after the game) . The standard should be, would you let them in your home as 52 other guys have to trust this guy. ..pegula at least did that with our new jackass that is chemically imbalanced . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) He wasn't really "convicted" once. I live in NC and the way they set up domestic abuse trials is first it goes before a judge (no jury). Judge gives their decision and you can accept it and then it is a conviction or you can go to a jury trial. If you choose a jury trial, then you are still innocent until proven guilty until the jury makes the decision. The reasoning is that they found a lot of domestic violence cases tend to have the charges dropped after both parties cool off/sober up and rather waste the court and potential juror's time, they fast track it in front of a judge first. The guns don't mean diddly in NC, we have very loose gun laws here. Edited February 9, 2015 by Damian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Don't embrace punks , that actually assault women and you don't really want to cheat to win either .. TO was a clown and barely tolerable .. Maybe I'm wrong and .. you want Hernandez after he serves a few years for accessory to murder . (That might intimidate a tackler, the threat of being killed after the game) . The standard should be, would you let them in your home as 52 other guys have to trust this guy. ..pegula at least did that with our new jackass that is chemically imbalanced . That is totally what we are saying. He was cleared of all charges I am definitely on board with going after him. yeah then lets together reshape that reality and make the world a better place. A few of us here and there can start adding up and possibly make the difference in the world I do not understand your mentality at all. It's the " If everyone jumps off a bridge I would too" mentality. If that's the case the patriots cheat, we should cheat too.. Integrity is important, and maybe we should hold it more dear then pushing it aside for something so meaningless as wins in mere game. I just do not understand how anyone can just push it aside. To you. Do you think the Pats organization or their fans care if the rest of the world thinks they didn't win with integrity? That IMO comes from constantly losing and trying to find excuses. "I would never want to be the Pats because their 4 Superbowls were not done with integrity" Yea, can my team win 4 superbowls and have people complain? Ill take that One insecure overgrown child that can't handle rejection from women is enough.. Grow a pair and believe character and team win over talent if you have good coaching (and a level playing field)... I do think a moron like lil Ritchie deserves a chance but not two... Thats false. Talent trumps all. Are the best players A) The most talented or B) The best character guys. Who is Better Ray Lewis or Arthur Moats? Edited February 9, 2015 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The take away from this Hardy incident is that all you have to do is be accused for most people to decide you're guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Incognito has never done ANYTHING remotely on par to what Rice, Hardy, and OJ have done. Holy ****, all charges dropped.... http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/02/09/5502866/greg-hardy-trial-opens-with-jury.html#.VNjTksbMorY Pay off to disappear? Actually all the crimes of these players are different and anyone that thinks Richie's crimes aren't as bad as say Ray Rice is crazy imo. The take away from this Hardy incident is that all you have to do is be accused for most people to decide you're guilty.In publuc opinion yes. In the court of law and his record no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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