Chef Jim Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Interesting: Obama is sowing GOP discontent on immigration. That's leadership! http://www.politico....ml#.VG4cv1fF_DU Only a devout follower of Obama would consider that leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Only a devout follower of Obama would consider that leadership. I was going to say dipshit...but same thing, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Not true. Surprised you chimed in on a subject that required knowledge deeper than a coloring book, but the 13th amendment was necessary because of 1) The border state slaves which were not included in the EP and 2) the potential court challanges that were sure to follow. Take a chill pill, breath in a paper bag. Its going to be ok... See my reply to Darin. I'll also add, the 13th Amendment even needed backing up by the 14th amendment because the southern states started passing black codes which basically re-enslaved them. So... The 13th Amendment was necessary because of the expectation of Court challenges which would state that the EP didn't actually set anyone free? You do understand that you're making my agrument now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 So... The 13th Amendment was necessary because of the expectation of Court challenges which would state that the EP didn't actually set anyone free? You do understand that you're making my agrument now, right? Nope. In a legal system that had just recently made the Dred Scott decision, a ruling that the EP was unconstitutional was inevitable. That's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Nope. In a legal system that had just recently made the Dred Scott decision, a ruling that the EP was unconstitutional was inevitable. That's all So it was inevitable that the Court would rule that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't actually set anyone free? I'm pretty sure I win now. Yup. I win. Edited November 20, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 So it was inevitable that the Court would rule that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't actually set anyone free? It was inevitable that a pro-slavery judge would say the president couldn't take people's property away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You do understand that you're making my agrument now, right? Of course he doesn't... It was inevitable that a pro-slavery judge would say the president couldn't take people's property away Because the law said the president couldn't. So the legislative process needed to be followed to change the law so that a judge wouldn't overturn the executive declaration that violated federal law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Because the law said the president couldn't. So the legislative process needed to be followed to change the law so that a judge wouldn't overturn the executive declaration that violated federal law? That violated the law according to a pro-slavery judge! An anti-slavery judge could have ruled the opposite. Now, I'll give you this because I'm sure you wouldn't get it on your own: Lincoln felt he couldn't do this, except under the military necessity. He accepted--this one time--the south's arguments that they were a separate nation--even while saying they were not. So in taking a foreign nation's property he felt legally able to that, even while saying they were not a foreign nation. All that meant was the legal challanges were sure to come. Still, the slaves freed in 1863, 1864 and early 1865 stayed forever free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 That violated the law according to a pro-slavery judge! An anti-slavery judge could have ruled the opposite. You're an idiot. The law said that slaves were property, and the federal government had to treat them as such, until the 13th Amendment was passed. Now, I'll give you this because I'm sure you wouldn't get it on your own: Lincoln felt he couldn't do this, except under the military necessity. He accepted--this one time--the south's arguments that they were a separate nation--even while saying they were not. So in taking a foreign nation's property he felt legally able to that, even while saying they were not a foreign nation. All that meant was the legal challanges were sure to come. Still, the slaves freed in 1863, 1864 and early 1865 stayed forever free. Yes, they were a foreign nation's property, under US law. That's why they weren't free, they were CONTRABAND, you !@#$ing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Obamacare = End of the Republic Immigration Policy = End of Republic Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Yawn That's how we feel when you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Gator, if you're willing, how old are you? You can ballpark it if you don't want to disclose the actual number. I'm just curious and mean no offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Gator, if you're willing, how old are you? You can ballpark it if you don't want to disclose the actual number. I'm just curious and mean no offense. You're in the wrong forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You're in the wrong forum. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Gator, if you're willing, how old are you? You can ballpark it if you don't want to disclose the actual number. I'm just curious and mean no offense. 47 Years young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 47 Years young Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Obamacare = End of the Republic Immigration Policy = End of Republic Yawn So incremental erosion of separation of powers is no big deal unless it's going to be the "end of the republic" within 2-4 years? You're either a monarchist or a moron. My guess is both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 47 Years young bull ****. You would have learned something after almost 50 years, even by accident. Obamacare = End of the Republic Immigration Policy = End of Republic Yawn Yes, and they're built on the precedent of Bush's signing statements, which were unconstitutional. And the next Republican president will take Obama's precedent a step further, and you'll B word and moan about how unconstitutional it is, because you're a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You're an idiot. The law said that slaves were property, and the federal government had to treat them as such, until the 13th Amendment was passed. Yes, they were a foreign nation's property, under US law. That's why they weren't free, they were CONTRABAND, you !@#$ing moron. Oh yes, I forgot how they were tagged and stored in warehouses bull ****. You would have learned something after almost 50 years, even by accident. . Like self control of my emotions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Nothing that Obama has done yet will anger me more than what he may announce tonight and how he has handled borders and immigration. Deplorable. Party over county, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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