Malazan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm curious about the call for his resignation. Is it just ray rice's suspension that leads people to believe he should resign? Is it that they did not have sufficient resources in place to handle domestic violence in the NFL? People seem to mention that he makes ~41-44 million an awful lot, how does that fit into it? Who do people calling for his head think should take over? Do they think said person would have done better in regards to domestic violence? Has the player's union expressed support for reforming the personal conduct code before this? Do they now? Why isn't DeMaurice Smith under fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't like that he is a hypocrite. "Ignorance is not an excuse." That is what he told Sean Payton as he suspended him for a year. Why didn't the NFL see the tape? Or did they? He is a hypocrite that nobody trusts. It's not just the league is out of control under his watch, he is like the 7 year old that lies to undo his last lie. The cover up is always worse than the crime. If that were the case, I imagine there would be a lot more grumblings coming from the teams themselves and this would be a good time for them to make the switch. But the owners seems to be rallying behind him for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Watching obscenely rich people desperately do whatever it takes to hang onto their wealth and power might very well represent the lowest possible outcome of the human condition. It also happens to go against every last thing Jesus ever had to say about anything. It can be damned entertaining though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm curious about the call for his resignation. Is it just ray rice's suspension that leads people to believe he should resign? Is it that they did not have sufficient resources in place to handle domestic violence in the NFL? People seem to mention that he makes ~41-44 million an awful lot, how does that fit into it? Who do people calling for his head think should take over? Do they think said person would have done better in regards to domestic violence? Has the player's union expressed support for reforming the personal conduct code before this? Do they now? Why isn't DeMaurice Smith under fire? Because the man is telling them to yell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If that were the case, I imagine there would be a lot more grumblings coming from the teams themselves and this would be a good time for them to make the switch. But the owners seems to be rallying behind him for now. Because the revenues are at an all-time high. Whether it is right or wrong they are going to give the benefit of the doubt to him because they are getting rich on his watch (whether or not he is responsible for that or not is a different story). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No, I'm trying to understand the bloodlust for Goodell's head now, when no one seemed to care about domestic violence in NFL until TMZ's video came out. And I'm sorry that I can't share in ESPN's indignation, considering that network's stellar job of hiring upstanding citizens. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Because the revenues are at an all-time high. Whether it is right or wrong they are going to give the benefit of the doubt to him because they are getting rich on his watch (whether or not he is responsible for that or not is a different story). One would figure that the owners would be smart enough to recognize where the revenues are coming from. I think Goodell has done a decent job until the Rice incident, especially considering how hard he's come down on on-the field violence. I don't know how anyone else would have handled the Rice situation differently, especially if you believe his version of the story after meeting with Ray & Janelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Teddy Bruschi's call for his resignation is all I need to hear -- to make up my mind that Goodell needs to stay on as Commish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 One would figure that the owners would be smart enough to recognize where the revenues are coming from. I think Goodell has done a decent job until the Rice incident, especially considering how hard he's come down on on-the field violence. I don't know how anyone else would have handled the Rice situation differently, especially if you believe his version of the story after meeting with Ray & Janelle This is why the owners have a commissioner in the first place, to take the hits they don't want to take. He's replaceable and disposable, that's part of the job. You might be right that anyone would have handled this the same way, but the entire office of the commissioner is to protect the owners from taking these hits. They'll keep him around until he's too bullet-ridden to be much use as a human shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If that were the case, I imagine there would be a lot more grumblings coming from the teams themselves and this would be a good time for them to make the switch. But the owners seems to be rallying behind him for now. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) One would figure that the owners would be smart enough to recognize where the revenues are coming from. I think Goodell has done a decent job until the Rice incident, especially considering how hard he's come down on on-the field violence. I don't know how anyone else would have handled the Rice situation differently, especially if you believe his version of the story after meeting with Ray & Janelle There is no reason to believe his version. Ray said that he told him that he hit her, the tape was sent to the NFL office, and TMZ obtained it with 1 phone call. He is either completely inept or lying (betting on the latter). The bounty gate situation was handled wrong (according to the investigator that he appointed in Paul Tagliabue). The NFL couldn't resolve the referee strike until the "Fail Mary." They had to settle with former players like 3 times after they didn't give them enough $ in the concussion debacle. His whole tenure has been a disaster outside of the revenues. Edited September 19, 2014 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't like that he is a hypocrite. "Ignorance is not an excuse." That is what he told Sean Payton as he suspended him for a year. Why didn't the NFL see the tape? Or did they? He is a hypocrite that nobody trusts. It's not just the league is out of control under his watch, he is like the 7 year old that lies to undo his last lie. The cover up is always worse than the crime. The league is not out of control. I have no doubt this type of behavior has happened before, but the league is doing very well. They need to address this problem and attempt to fix it. This is what they are doing. They admitted to their mistakes and now will move forward. As much as everyone loves to just say to fire him, as all sports fans do, just like fire the coach...., nobody feels that those in charge should have the opportunity to fix the problems they are confronted with. And I have yet to hear any solutions to the problem? Should Rice, Dwyer, Hardy and AP all receive the same punishment, or what should the punishment be? It's not that cut and dried.I think the NFL is a very well run organization and I'm a big fan. I have no problem letting the league execs and the players union work with abuse experts and try to find a solution to the problem facing the league right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The league is not out of control. I have no doubt this type of behavior has happened before, but the league is doing very well. They need to address this problem and attempt to fix it. This is what they are doing. They admitted to their mistakes and now will move forward. As much as everyone loves to just say to fire him, as all sports fans do, just like fire the coach...., nobody feels that those in charge should have the opportunity to fix the problems they are confronted with. And I have yet to hear any solutions to the problem? Should Rice, Dwyer, Hardy and AP all receive the same punishment, or what should the punishment be? It's not that cut and dried. I think the NFL is a very well run organization and I'm a big fan. I have no problem letting the league execs and the players union work with abuse experts and try to find a solution to the problem facing the league right now. Look how Silver handled Donald Sterling compared to how Goodell handled Rice. I would say that those two incidents were both REALLY bad situations for the commissioners. One handled it perfectly and one couldn't have handled it worse (as detailed above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Not sure what people expected from Goodell. He answers to the owners...period. Owners are raking in the cash and the sport,outrage be damned, is as popular as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There is no reason to believe his version. Ray said that he told him that he hit her, the tape was sent to the NFL office, and TMZ obtained it with 1 phone call. He is either completely inept or lying (betting on the latter). The bounty gate situation was handled wrong (according to the investigator that he appointed in Paul Tagliabue). The NFL couldn't resolve the referee strike until the "Fail Mary." They had to settle with former players like 3 times after they didn't give them enough $ in the concussion debacle. His whole tenure has been a disaster outside of the revenues. This is talked about a lot. What is always left out is that the Casino and Hotel has closed since the incident perhaps allowing people's need for money to get in the way. I am not saying the NFL couldn't get it but it was certainly easier once there was no job left to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There is no reason to believe his version. Ray said that he told him that he hit her, the tape was sent to the NFL office, and TMZ obtained it with 1 phone call. He is either completely inept or lying (betting on the latter). The bounty gate situation was handled wrong (according to the investigator that he appointed in Paul Tagliabue). The NFL couldn't resolve the referee strike until the "Fail Mary." They had to settle with former players like 3 times after they didn't give them enough $ in the concussion debacle. His whole tenure has been a disaster outside of the revenues. On all of these issues he was the point man for the owners (as most relate to money issues). On bounty gate, I thought that he was a bit harsh considering that's been something done but not told at NFL teams. But now that seems to be at odds, because he was getting blamed for being too harsh on violence and is now getting slammed for being too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm curious about the call for his resignation. Is it just ray rice's suspension that leads people to believe he should resign? Is it that they did not have sufficient resources in place to handle domestic violence in the NFL? People seem to mention that he makes ~41-44 million an awful lot, how does that fit into it? Who do people calling for his head think should take over? Do they think said person would have done better in regards to domestic violence? Has the player's union expressed support for reforming the personal conduct code before this? Do they now? Why isn't DeMaurice Smith under fire? Those are the bigger questions that are too messy to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This is talked about a lot. What is always left out is that the Casino and Hotel has closed since the incident perhaps allowing people's need for money to get in the way. I am not saying the NFL couldn't get it but it was certainly easier once there was no job left to lose. The hotel closed in late August or early September. The commish met with Rice in June. On all of these issues he was the point man for the owners (as most relate to money issues). On bounty gate, I thought that he was a bit harsh considering that's been something done but not told at NFL teams. But now that seems to be at odds, because he was getting blamed for being too harsh on violence and is now getting slammed for being too easy. My bounty gate issue is his quote "ignorance is not an excuse." If that was his grounds for punishing Payton how does that not apply to him (specifically in the Rice investigation)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Look how Silver handled Donald Sterling compared to how Goodell handled Rice. I would say that those two incidents were both REALLY bad situations for the commissioners. One handled it perfectly and one couldn't have handled it worse (as detailed above). Yep. If you had just paid $1.4 billion for an NFL franchise, how would you like to have Roger Goodell leading your league into what looks like a very turbulent future? Yes, the NFL is printing money right now, but nothing says that has to last forever. If I had just forked over $1.4 billion, I would be looking at the long term picture. Not to minimize the importance of the domestic violence issue, but in the long run, it's just a fart in the wind compared to the trouble the NFL faces over concussions and players' health issues generally. Those are highly complex and difficult issues that could literally sink the league if they are not effectively dealt with. Based on how he has handled player discipline issues, I would guess that many owners are concluding that Goddell is not the right frontman for this league. In addition, regardless what they think personally of Goodell's stewardship, at some point the owners will throw Goodell under the bus if doing so will garner them sufficient points with advertisers, sponsors, TV networks, lawmakers, and the general public. Edited September 19, 2014 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Look how Silver handled Donald Sterling compared to how Goodell handled Rice. I would say that those two incidents were both REALLY bad situations for the commissioners. One handled it perfectly and one couldn't have handled it worse (as detailed above). It's easy to be a hard ass, most people seem to like it. And although Silver did the necessary thing with Sterling - imagine what would have happened if the Clippers boycotted playoff games or other players boycotted as well, which from what I hear was a distinct possibility. A multi billion dollar industry would have had an incredible disaster on their hands. Getting rid of Sterling was easy , although one can argue not totally fair. The NBA had no problem with his years of legal issues until it threatened their pocket book. But I do agree that Silver handled his situation much better than Goodell, my feeling is that Goodell should have the opportunity to fix the problem. It seems the solution most people come up with is to fire somebody, but not address the problem. They seem to be doing the right thing after many missteps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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