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9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Seems to be from vols fans and then everyone  who just does not like Ohio state 

 

We have one loss against the #2 in the nation.... USC lost, so yeah, after the committee trying to get two SEC teams in year after year, they can rot.

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6 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

We have one loss against the #2 in the nation.... USC lost, so yeah, after the committee trying to get two SEC teams in year after year, they can rot.

I think with a month for Day to prepare and also to get treveyon, miyan and even jsn back healthy along with Matt jones on the line… I’d be excited to see a matchup with any of these teams 

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2 hours ago, LeviF said:


Somehow I think Michigan will be fine with that. 

 

Nothing against Michigan, they played a great game against OSU. 

 

Beating the same team twice is difficult for anyone when it's a good team.

 

Michigan wouldn't welcome it.

9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

We have one loss against the #2 in the nation.... USC lost, so yeah, after the committee trying to get two SEC teams in year after year, they can rot.

 

Don't sweat it, OSU is the most deserving 4th team. I always feel the 4th team always ends up being a fringe team anyways.

 

Rarely do we get a cut and dry "top 4"

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9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

We have one loss against the #2 in the nation.... USC lost, so yeah, after the committee trying to get two SEC teams in year after year, they can rot.

 

The main issue I have is OSU is essentially rewarded for NOT making their conference championship.  And I understand this isn't the first year it's happened.  But teams shouldn't be rewarded for sitting at home.

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3 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

The main issue I have is OSU is essentially rewarded for NOT making their conference championship.  And I understand this isn't the first year it's happened.  But teams shouldn't be rewarded for sitting at home.

Looking at the Big Ten, which is finally getting rid of the divisions next year so this won’t happen anymore, the committee likely believes osu already played  in the conference championship last week. They lost. Those were the top two teams in the division. No one from the big ten west is close. They only have a team in the conference championship because it’s required. It’s like that every year because the divisions are lopsided. Starting next year it will be the top 2 seeds and theoretically Ohio state and Michigan could play two weeks in a row.
 

Anyway, the committee typically only factors in conference championships if a team wins (not just makes it) and they need a tiebreaker. Otherwise they look at entire body of work. Obviously, playing in that game and winning in really impressive fashion can also propel a team in (like Ohio state getting in over TCU 2014 when the Big 12 did not yet have a conference championship game). So team sitting at home not always rewarded.

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3 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

The main issue I have is OSU is essentially rewarded for NOT making their conference championship.  And I understand this isn't the first year it's happened.  But teams shouldn't be rewarded for sitting at home.

 

Fair argument, but you shouldn't be given a pass for losing a conference title game either. 

 

2024 it won't matter much, will be 12 teams. Then everyone will argue about why they should be 12 not 13. 🤷

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21 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

"Reward for conference championship" or "body of work"? I think we know which one the committee will value THIS season

Not sure there has ever been a reward for just making your conference championship. Still need to have no more than 1 loss at the end of the day. They’ve been very consistent about that. “Championships won”, however, is one of the tiebreaker criteria. So if usc had won last night they would go over Ohio state because they both had one loss but usc won their conference. 

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13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not sure there has ever been a reward for just making your conference championship. Still need to have no more than 1 loss at the end of the day. They’ve been very consistent about that. “Championships won”, however, is one of the tiebreaker criteria. So if usc had won last night they would go over Ohio state because they both had one loss but usc won their conference. 

I hear you. My point is the committee can speak out whatever side of their mouth they want to in order to support the outcome they ultimately desire.  

 

THis is why I am looking forward to the playoff expansion. The controversy over who makes it will shift from which "elite" team fails to make it which "good" team fails to make it.  Feelings will still be hurt regarding seeding and which "good" teams are left out, but in any given year all the "elite" teams will be in the dance which I think is what most fans care about.

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8 minutes ago, Willyville Guy said:

Gerdeman en fuego 

 

 

Merry Christmas, indeed 🤪

7 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

I hear you. My point is the committee can speak out whatever side of their mouth they want to in order to support the outcome they ultimately desire.  

 

THis is why I am looking forward to the playoff expansion. The controversy over who makes it will shift from which "elite" team fails to make it which "good" team fails to make it.  Feelings will still be hurt regarding seeding and which "good" teams are left out, but in any given year all the "elite" teams will be in the dance which I think is what most fans care about.

 

Yes a lot of people are saying for $$ and ratings reasons they are going to go for the Ohio state-Michigan rematch in the semi final. I think it will take some gymnastics to do that unless Michigan loses tonight, but they will do what they want and justify it somehow 

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2 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Fair argument, but you shouldn't be given a pass for losing a conference title game either. 

 

2024 it won't matter much, will be 12 teams. Then everyone will argue about why they should be 12 not 13. 🤷

 

I agree no one should get a pass, but that's exactly what OSU got.   It's not that big of a deal because they're probably a lot better than USC anyway, but it's just the principle of it.  And like you said, they are correcting it next year anyway with the 12 teams. 

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Honestly, this is why I can't be bothered to pay much attention to college football.  Every year, there's teams lobbying to get in (like Saban talking about Alabama's "3 game winning streak") and more often than not, the committee decides based on which teams are better for the revenue, instead of better on the field.

 

It's insane to me that a team can go undefeated, yet a team with 1-2 losses still gets in over them.  I know that's not the case this year, but it has happened in the past.  There really needs to just be a set of tiebreakers that determines who is in and who is out, instead of people in a room somewhere deciding.

 

I'd also argue that teams should be able to refuse to play in their Conference "Championship" game.  Most of the time, the teams playing have everything to lose, with little or nothing to gain, while teams that don't make the games can sit, watch and possibly get bumped up over teams while they do nothing on their own to earn a spot.

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7 hours ago, BLeonard said:

Honestly, this is why I can't be bothered to pay much attention to college football.  Every year, there's teams lobbying to get in (like Saban talking about Alabama's "3 game winning streak") and more often than not, the committee decides based on which teams are better for the revenue, instead of better on the field.

 

It's insane to me that a team can go undefeated, yet a team with 1-2 losses still gets in over them.  I know that's not the case this year, but it has happened in the past.  There really needs to just be a set of tiebreakers that determines who is in and who is out, instead of people in a room somewhere deciding.

 

I'd also argue that teams should be able to refuse to play in their Conference "Championship" game.  Most of the time, the teams playing have everything to lose, with little or nothing to gain, while teams that don't make the games can sit, watch and possibly get bumped up over teams while they do nothing on their own to earn a spot.

I strongly disagree with your first 2 paragraphs. If a team from a bargain basement, garage sale conference (Tulane for example) gets lucky one season and wins out, are you saying that they should get in over a 1 or even 2 loss Ohio State, etc.? How many players (besides JP Losman LOL) have they delivered to the NFL as compared to the top quality teams? Do you think that Tulane could beat any of the Top 20 teams?

 

That said, I strongly agree with your last paragraph. In fact, I think that conference championship games should be eliminated. Having 12 playoff teams will already increase the workload for many of these kids, and the chance for them to suffer injury. Is there ANY doubt that some players will suffer career shattering injuries playing in these extra games? I get it that football fans are at least in a sense like fans of gladiators in days of old. I also understand that these players are now getting paid, and some are making lots of money. Still, some of them (the very good/great ones) stand to lose millions and for what? A conference title?

 

They should make all conferences have one division and let the team with the best record (or tie breakers if necessary) be the conference champion. 

 

Jmo.

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1. Georgia 

2. Michigan 

3. TCU 

4. Ohio State 

 

Absolutely strange year in College Football.  In normal years there are 5-6 teams you could make an argument for getting into the playoff.  This year there is literally 4.  Zero 2 loss teams have ever made it and the committee has been quite vocal in prior years that 2 losses is a line they won't cross.  So we have these 4 teams and a hog pile of 2-3 loss teams.  Some are Conference Champions but that's not enough to negate their losses.  Georgia is clearly the best team in the nation and Michigan has defeated everyone they have crossed paths with, so those are the top 2.  TCU and Ohio State could go 3 or 4 in any order but I think you need to give the edge to TCU because their loss was on a neutral field in OT while Ohio State lost at home by 22.  Also I really doubt the committee would "punish" Michigan by having to play Ohio State in the semifinal.  Make Ohio State earn that rematch if it's going to happen.  🤷

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I strongly disagree with your first 2 paragraphs. If a team from a bargain basement, garage sale conference (Tulane for example) gets lucky one season and wins out, are you saying that they should get in over a 1 or even 2 loss Ohio State, etc.? How many players (besides JP Losman LOL) have they delivered to the NFL as compared to the top quality teams? Do you think that Tulane could beat any of the Top 20 teams?

 

 

Jmo.

Finally we agree on at least one thing.  The best a garbage basement conference can produce is a player like Gabe Davis.  I like Gabe and all but in the very same draft Bama alone produced superstar Jerry Jeudy and would be superstar if he hadn’t burned someone alive Henry Ruggs.  The difference is mind blowing.

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