B-Man Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 More observation on Mr. Obama's poor leadership (unlike Mr. Bush) Obama’s Sort-of War: In his view, the current debacle has nothing to do with his own errors and omissions by Victor Davis Hanson How can we account for the apparent flip-flopping of the Obama administration about what we are doing, or might do further, to the Islamic State? At times the secretary of defense seems at odds with the secretary of state. The administration seems not to be reacting to its own intelligence information about the Islamic State. Nor is it heeding the professional advice of the Joint Chiefs or top-ranking military officers in the field. Instead, in the run-up to the midterm elections, Obama appears to be guided largely by a stubborn adherence to his own past political truisms, and that explains the current inability to articulate a strategy or craft a coalition. In anti-empirical fashion, the following axioms must be true — and thus the facts on the ground in Syria and Iraq must be massaged to reflect these beliefs. 1. The growth of the Islamic State has little if anything to do with the total withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq in 2011. Our departure did not prompt the Maliki government to backslide into religious oppression, free the skies for foreign powers, and open the countryside to resurgent Islamists. 2. The success of the Islamic State has nothing to do with the past failure to aid anti–Bashar Assad groups in Syria that once upon a time may have also opposed the Islamic State. 3. The current ascendancy of the Islamic State has nothing to do with a sense that the credibility of the United States in the region is diminished, or that enemies in the Middle East are emboldened by past non-enforcement of loudly announced red lines, step-over lines, or deadlines. Nor does it have to do with the situation on the ground after the bombing of Libya, or with the promise to vacate Afghanistan, or with the shunning of our old allies in the Gulf and Egypt. 4. The administration’s current Middle East plan of reaching out to the Islamic world — from the euphemisms about terrorism to the proclamations of underappreciated Islamic achievement to outreach to Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Iranians — has largely worked and therefore should be continued. Hence, the statement that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam. Six more a the link: http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=7859 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Well everybody knows that Parker Then why the !@#$ is your ignorant ass bringing up the popular vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think he's talking about the time we had a PPP competition and my opponent pussed out. Rumor has it he's been lurking around here lately using a new handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Then why the !@#$ is your ignorant ass bringing up the popular vote? On a political site I'm bringing up a vote total in a presidential election and YOU are calling me ignorant? Is everything ok? You seem more angry than usual today. And that's saying something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 - hate all you want but I know PLENTY of people who are grateful to have their kids covered til they can try to get a decent paying job with benefits. Imagine if only there were plenty of people grateful to have their kids get a decent-paying job instead of sucking up mom-and-day's miniscule nestegg until their "child" turns 26. But no. Tens of millions are out of the workforce, but thank God we can drain the people who already paid in. Fool. I remember ass fu©king your wife in an outhouse after a 5th of bourbon, but I don't remember getting in an argument with any dead or recently departed poster. Who are you talking about? I know we're not supposed to post stuff like this here, but it was damn funny anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 On a political site I'm bringing up a vote total in a presidential election and YOU are calling me ignorant? Yeah. Because you're bringing up something completely irrelevant, and pretending it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Yeah. Because you're bringing up something completely irrelevant, and pretending it isn't. A flaw in our democracy--yes, democracy!--that allows the loser of the popular vote to become the president is irrelevant? Oh, ya, it is yet another of the many smears on the Bushman who you adore. Anyway, more good news: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-poverty-rate-drop-20140917-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 A flaw in our democracy--yes, democracy!--that allows the loser of the popular vote to become the president is irrelevant? Oh, ya, it is yet another of the many smears on the Bushman who you adore. Anyway, more good news: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-poverty-rate-drop-20140917-story.html We don't have a democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) A flaw in our democracy--yes, democracy!--that allows the loser of the popular vote to become the president is irrelevant? Oh, ya, it is yet another of the many smears on the Bushman who you adore. Anyway, more good news: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-poverty-rate-drop-20140917-story.html How is the fact that Bush won the election fairly a smear on him? And I think it's safe to say no one on this board adores Bush. Edited September 17, 2014 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 We don't have a democracy. we don't pick our leaders through the democratic process? And I think it's safe to say no one on this board adores Bush. He sure has a lot of defenders here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 we don't pick our leaders through the democratic process? Our government is a republic. It operates according to democratic principles, but it is not a democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) A flaw in our democracy--yes, democracy!--that allows the loser of the popular vote to become the president is irrelevant? Oh, ya, it is yet another of the many smears on the Bushman who you adore. Like I said: you're ignorant. we don't pick our leaders through the democratic process? No. For example, the people don't choose the President. The states do, via the electoral college. The people choose who the state's representatives at the electoral college will elect. That's not a "flaw." That's how our representative democracy works. Again: you're ignorant. He sure has a lot of defenders here. No, he doesn't. You just misconstrue contempt for your ignorant ass with defending him. Edited September 17, 2014 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I think he's talking about the time we had a PPP competition and my opponent pussed out. Rumor has it he's been lurking around here lately using a new handle. That's what I suspected... however, there was a response. It was just months late because, you know, west coast lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Apples and Hurricanes http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/opinion/frank-bruni-obama-beyond-bush.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I remember ass fu©king your wife in an outhouse after a 5th of bourbon, but I don't remember getting in an argument with any dead or recently departed poster. Who are you talking about? This just doesn't sound right. You remember sticking your dong in Gaytorman's "wifes" ass? You might want to erase that memory. There is a reason they had to adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Like I said: you're ignorant. No. For example, the people don't choose the President. The states do, via the electoral college. The people choose who the state's representatives at the electoral college will elect. That's not a "flaw." That's how our representative democracy works. Again: you're ignorant. No, he doesn't. You just misconstrue contempt for your ignorant ass with defending him. Yes Tom, and I suppose you think the UK is still a monarchy? We have the right to vote for our leaders that makes us a democracy. We are also a republic. Only an idiot would think those things are mutually exclusive. The Constitution is a democratic document This just doesn't sound right. You remember sticking your dong in Gaytorman's "wifes" ass? You might want to erase that memory. There is a reason they had to adopt. LOL, wow! You are Rob run to the lowest low. Rob in a outhouse jagging off dreaming of my beautiful wife is not him banging her. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Our government is a republic. It operates according to democratic principles, but it is not a democracy. You really can't expect a braintrust like gator to understand that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Yes Tom, and I suppose you think the UK is still a monarchy? We have the right to vote for our leaders that makes us a democracy. We are also a republic. Only an idiot would think those things are mutually exclusive. The Constitution is a democratic document Based on the process we have here with regard to electing a President who won the 2000 election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Based on the process we have here with regard to electing a President who won the 2000 election? You mean who the supreme court picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You mean who the supreme court picked? Is that the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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