The Ukraine is Weak

[3rdnlng]

Wow, I smack you around all day long and you still talk the same nonsense that got you there?

 

Go ahead and apologize for your earlier transgression then we can talk Ukraine tommorow.

 

Keep bringing up weed as it's the only sad little bullet left in your gun. Drag it to every thread, you're good at being a 12 year old.

 

Might even have to throw the old ignore on you. I was holding out hope for you but it's looking like a waste of time. I know nothing of hard or illegal drugs. I've smoked pot before, big freakin deal. Grow up gramps.

 

Dolt city....population you.

 

If you watch any of the videos I have linked over the past few pages you can see what is occurring in Crimea.

 

What aspect of Ukraine concerns you the most ? I think it will be interesting to see what happens if Vitali Klitchko takes over soon (alleged non corrupt savior) He was kinda blindsided by the fact Yulia Timoshenkos back on the scene and could steal away his impending rise to leader of Ukraine.

 

Did you post some Youtube videos I missed? Show some knowledge of the situation rather than thowiing around a lot of peoples's names that don't have many vowels. Why do you persist on visiting PPP and getting your ass handed to you? Don't you remember your ignorance on the Trayvon case? If I had crawled away with my tail wiping my ass so much I'd think I should come better prepared next time I came down here. But that's the difference between us.

[Maury Ballstein]

 

 

Did you post some Youtube videos I missed? Show some knowledge of the situation rather than thowiing around a lot of peoples's names that don't have many vowels. Why do you persist on visiting PPP and getting your ass handed to you? Don't you remember your ignorance on the Trayvon case? If I had crawled away with my tail wiping my ass so much I'd think I should come better prepared next time I came down here. But that's the difference between us.

 

Just stay down. It's already over. You sound like Charlie Browns teacher right now.

 

A dullard like yourself doesn't get to set the terms. Gonna save myself some time and go ahead and ignore you. I have seen enough of this 12 year old tough guy routine

 

Take accountability for your mistakes ...maybe one day you will grow up to be a man.

 

You had your chance to apologize. You chose poorly.

Edited March 10, 2014 by Ryan L Billz

[GG]

I for one am not willing to speak for an entire people as an outsider, I mean I'm not that much of a pretentious ass -- apparently you are and that's okay. But based on my own, everyday interactions with Russians I could not disagree more with this bit of your rant. Admittedly, I have a small window into the country, but that's a pretty bold statement.

 

Though, be honest, you have to admit it's kinda ironic that in an effort to illustrate how outraged you are at someone having the common sense to point out that propaganda is a powerful tool, you end up throwing back propaganda from the other side of the spectrum.

 

It's well done ass-hole-ery, so you should take a bow.

 

Except that you are talking on behalf of the people based on the limited interaction you have with some of them, but totally ignoring the long and sordid history that is Russia and its people.

 

I have no qualms about generalizing Russians and their culture, because in this event, the generalization is the truth.

 

So let's recap. You chime in with an equivocation that although Putin is a bad bad man, US can't do anything about the situation because Bush threw out any sort of international goodwill by invading Iraq. Never mind that most of the countries who would benefit from USA's resistance to Russia also participated in Iraq. Are they also siding with Putin because of the Iraq invasion? What is this public opinion that you are referring to? The entire western world's view that Putin is the aggressor? Or the Russian view that US orchestrated the Ukrainian protests?

 

If it's the latter, then how is it even introduced as a serious point? I'm sure that I don't have to tell you that in addition to destroying any sense of independent media, Putin threw out the foreign NGOs who were helping pro-democratic groups. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that one of the world's most dangerous professions is being an investigative reporter in Russia. Read up on Paul Klebnikov if you want more education.

 

Ever wonder why Putin enjoys 90% electoral victories? Do your Russian buddies explain that one? That number is statistically impossible in an open society. Do you ask them why are Russia and Belarus the only Euro former Soviets are comfortable with dictators for life governments? Can you imagine this happening in Poland, Czech. Hell, even Ukrainians got fed up with it. But go ahead and make yourself feel superior because I slammed a nation of losers and drunks who didn't appreciate the opportunity to set their own course, and are welcoming a despot back with open arms. You should also note that the only time in the last 30 years that Russians may have been moved to revolt was when Gorbachev threatened to raise vodka and cigarette prices. Even the famed miners who showed up to support Yeltsin during the failed coup were all imported from UKRAINE!!

 

And here's the ironic part for you, I agree that Crimea belongs more with Russia than Ukraine. And if given time, they eventually would have seceded without so much fanfare. But because Putin is who he is, he couldn't resist the opportunity to poke everyone else in the eye and reinforce the belief that USSR will be reclaimed, followed by the Warsaw Pact.

 

So no, I don't at all feel like an ass for exposing a nation for what they really are. They and Putin deserve one another, but because he's not content on staying within his stojanhole, he's also the world's problem.

Edited March 10, 2014 by GG

[Tiberius]

Except that you are talking on behalf of the people based on the limited interaction you have with some of them, but totally ignoring the long and sordid history that is Russia and its people.

 

I have no qualms about generalizing Russians and their culture, because in this event, the generalization is the truth.

 

So let's recap. You chime in with an equivocation that although Putin is a bad bad man, US can't do anything about the situation because Bush threw out any sort of international goodwill by invading Iraq. Never mind that most of the countries who would benefit from USA's resistance to Russia also participated in Iraq. Are they also siding with Putin because of the Iraq invasion? What is this public opinion that you are referring to? The entire western world's view that Putin is the aggressor? Or the Russian view that US orchestrated the Ukrainian protests?

 

If it's the latter, then how is it even introduced as a serious point? I'm sure that I don't have to tell you that in addition to destroying any sense of independent media, Putin threw out the foreign NGOs who were helping pro-democratic groups. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that one of the world's most dangerous professions is being an investigative reporter in Russia. Read up on Paul Klebnikov if you want more education.

 

Ever wonder why Putin enjoys 90% electoral victories? Do your Russian buddies explain that one? That number is statistically impossible in an open society. Do you ask them why are Russia and Belarus the only Euro former Soviets are comfortable with dictators for life governments? Can you imagine this happening in Poland, Czech. Hell, even Ukrainians got fed up with it. But go ahead and make yourself feel superior because I slammed a nation of losers and drunks who didn't appreciate the opportunity to set their own course, and are welcoming a despot back with open arms. You should also note that the only time in the last 30 years that Russians may have been moved to revolt was when Gorbachev threatened to raise vodka and cigarette prices. Even the famed miners who showed up to support Yeltsin during the failed coup were all imported from UKRAINE!!

 

And here's the ironic part for you, I agree that Crimea belongs more with Russia than Ukraine. And if given time, they eventually would have seceded without so much fanfare. But because Putin is who he is, he couldn't resist the opportunity to poke everyone else in the eye and reinforce the belief that USSR will be reclaimed, followed by the Warsaw Pact.

 

So no, I don't at all feel like an ass for exposing a nation for what they really are. They and Putin deserve one another, but because he's not content on staying within his stojanhole, he's also the world's problem.

Sometimes its just hard to fathom what a complete idiot you really are

[3rdnlng]

Just stay down. It's already over. You sound like Charlie Browns teacher right now.

 

A dullard like yourself doesn't get to set the terms. Gonna save myself some time and go ahead and ignore you. I have seen enough of this 12 year old tough guy routine

 

Take accountability for your mistakes ...maybe one day you will grow up to be a man.

 

You had your chance to apologize. You chose poorly.

 

I must have missed my calling. To be able to teach one so ignorant as yourself the difference between you're and your is quite an accomplishment. I wonder if you will retain that knowledge?

 

BTW, from one of your idiotic posts:

 

Keep bringing up weed as it's the only sad little bullet left in your gun. Drag it to every thread, you're good at being a 12 year old.

 

Might even have to throw the old ignore on you. I was holding out hope for you but it's looking like a waste of time. I know nothing of hard or illegal drugs. I've smoked pot before, big freakin deal. Grow up gramps.

 

Which is it, a 12 year old or gramps? Maybe the drugs have so muddled your mind that you can't put a coherent thought together?

[Maury Ballstein]

Ask your friend Germaine to help you with this conundrum.

 

Good at being a 12 year old is a euphemism for being juvenile or simplistic in this case.

 

Stop lobbing softballs. You're on ignore but they have this little view anyway option.

 

Don't reply as you and I have nothing to do with Ukraine. As a courtesy to all. Last item from me to you.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2014 by Ryan L Billz

[Azalin]

Sometimes its just hard to fathom what a complete idiot you really are

another drive-by perpetrated by the feces-chucking primate.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

another drive-by perpetrated by the feces-chucking primate.

 

You take that back!

[GG]

You take that back!

 

Not until Baghdad Bob tells him to.

[Azalin]

another drive-by perpetrated by the feces-chucking primate.

present company excepted, of course.

[John Adams]

I can't believe CTM has 10000+ posts.

[Chef Jim]

I can't believe CTM has 10000+ posts.

 

That was my first reaction.

[Deranged Rhino]

Except that you are talking on behalf of the people based on the limited interaction you have with some of them, but totally ignoring the long and sordid history that is Russia and its people.

 

I have no qualms about generalizing Russians and their culture, because in this event, the generalization is the truth.

I am not talking on anyone's behalf. And, as I've said several times, I'm well aware of Russia's history and its people. More than you give me credit for.

 

But at least based on this post and your others, I know how old you are ... and that explains a lot.

 

 

So let's recap. You chime in with an equivocation that although Putin is a bad bad man, US can't do anything about the situation because Bush threw out any sort of international goodwill by invading Iraq.

Incorrect with every word in your recap. I said no such thing and in fact have refuted what you're trying to pin on me several times. If you want to rant, rant. But do not continue to misconstrue what I've said. It makes you look silly.

[GG]

 

I am not talking on anyone's behalf. And, as I've said several times, I'm well aware of Russia's history and its people. More than you give me credit for.

 

But at least based on this post and your others, I know how old you are ... and that explains a lot.

 

 

Incorrect with every word in your recap. I said no such thing and in fact have refuted what you're trying to pin on me several times. If you want to rant, rant. But do not continue to misconstrue what I've said. It makes you look silly.

 

Then please enlighten us how we are supposed to interpret the following, if not an equivocation?

 

BTW what does my age have to do with historical facts?

 

Different levels of wrong is exactly the point. Of course there are different levels, and the US used to be able to make that distinction clearly on the world stage in times like this. But now our words are seen as hollow (whether they are or not) by the rest of world in part because of the mistakes made in the lead up to Iraqi Freedom. So, you're right that there are different levels of being wrong and Putin's invasion of the Crimea pales in comparison to ours in Iraq in terms of cause... but because we were proven to be wrong in Iraq we have lost the ability to point out said differences to Joe Schmoe European on the street.

[Deranged Rhino]

Then please enlighten us how we are supposed to interpret the following, if not an equivocation?

Go back to the OP. Earlier in the thread the role of Bush's failed policies in the Middle East were brought up and dismissed as having no bearing on the current situation. That's false and that's the only quibble I've had in this thread. How much of a bearing it plays is completely up for debate but to pretend it doesn't exist or have an impact is dangerously ignorant. It does have an impact on our nation's ability to take the moral high ground on ANY invasion when we stood up and loudly made a case for invasion which turned out to be at best wrong and at worst fabricated. This reality, which cannot be ignored, makes it very difficult to make a non-violent, non-sanction backed plea to the people of Crimea and Ukraine (and Russia itself) about what Putin is really up to. True change can only come from within, not from the outside, and we have lost the ability to communicate our ideals as a nation without raising suspicion. Our actions in Iraq have taken away what was once a powerful tool in our geopolitical toolbox and it's being demonstrated in black and white through the propaganda wars going on in Crimea, the Ukraine, Russia and Europe proper.

 

That's it. Nothing deeper. You seem to be either in denial that this is a reality or dismissive of its importance. Worse, you are spinning that by pointing this out I am somehow excusing Putin or the old Soviet empire when I have said no such thing. You also are spinning that I believe public opinion is the end all be all in trump cards. It's not, and I've never said otherwise. My name may begin with a G but it doesn't end with atorman.

 

 

BTW what does my age have to do with historical facts?

It has nothing to do with facts. It has everything to do with how you interpret and analyze those facts and use them to make your case.

Edited March 10, 2014 by GreggyT

[boyst]

I can't believe CTM has 80000+ posts.

fixed for actual accuracy

[Joe Miner]

Go back to the OP. Earlier in the thread the role of Bush's failed policies in the Middle East were brought up and dismissed as having no bearing on the current situation. That's false and that's the only quibble I've had in this thread. How much of a bearing it plays is completely up for debate but to pretend it doesn't exist or have an impact is dangerously ignorant. It does have an impact on our nation's ability to take the moral high ground on ANY invasion when we stood up and loudly made a case for invasion which turned out to be at best wrong and at worst fabricated. This reality, which cannot be ignored, makes it very difficult to make a non-violent, non-sanction backed plea to the people of Crimea and Ukraine (and Russia itself) about what Putin is really up to. True change can only come from within, not from the outside, and we have lost the ability to communicate our ideals as a nation without raising suspicion. Our actions in Iraq have taken away what was once a powerful tool in our geopolitical toolbox and it's being demonstrated in black and white through the propaganda wars going on in Crimea, the Ukraine, Russia and Europe proper.

 

That's it. Nothing deeper. You seem to be either in denial that this is a reality or dismissive of its importance. Worse, you are spinning that by pointing this out I am somehow excusing Putin or the old Soviet empire when I have said no such thing. You also are spinning that I believe public opinion is the end all be all in trump cards. It's not, and I've never said otherwise. My name may begin with a G but it doesn't end with atorman.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with facts. It has everything to do with how you interpret and analyze those facts and use them to make your case.

 

And your quibble is still wrong. As has been explained to you repeatedly.

 

We know what you're saying and have been saying. You just can't seem to grasp that you're wrong.

[Deranged Rhino]

And your quibble is still wrong. As has been explained to you repeatedly.

 

We know what you're saying and have been saying. You just can't seem to grasp that you're wrong.

Please tell me then what it is I am saying. Your last attempt to do so was poor.

Edited March 10, 2014 by GreggyT

[Joe Miner]

Please tell me then what it is I am saying. Your last attempt to do so was poor.

 

Do you not understand what you just wrote?

[Deranged Rhino]

Do you not understand what you just wrote?

I do. But based on the words you've shared with us in this thread, you do not. Hence my question. If you can actually summarize my point, then I apologize.