PO'14 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 We should be collecting pro-bowl players not discarding them. Can you image our run game with Fred and Marshawn? Oh wait, we had that and let a pro bowl player go for peanuts. U mean the Lynch that was a major screw up off the field? U mean Lynch who had run ins with the law?. U mean Lynch who was outplayed by FJax? Hindsight is a wonderful thing isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Many of us have said this all along...Byrd is very good; not as good as the best safeties in the game like Thomas, Berry, & Weddle. He's probably on par with guys like Goldson, etc. And iirc, his contact ask was in the ballpark of Goldson deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Dan Quayle is no Jack Kennedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Chris hogan is no Da'Rick ... Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ed Reed: 12 years 64 INTs 11 forced funbles Earl Thomas: 4 years 15 INTs 5 forced fumbles Jairus Byrd: 5 years 22 INTS 11 forced fumbles Byrd creates more turnovers than Thomas does, so I'll take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 edit: Will this board ever freaking learn a Strong Safety is 180degrees different then a Free Safety? Just because they end in safety doesn't mean they're similar! That's like saying a Quarterback and a Halfback are the same because they both have back on the end. ARGGGHH! traditional strong safeties are in the process of being phased out similar to the fullback most defenses dont use a run stuffing enforcer safety these days saying they are 180 degrees different is not at all correct in today's NFL JBoys I would have agreed with you less than 5 years ago, but I think DBF hit the nail on the head here - there are a ton of defenses that have their safeties interchangeable, where they give them responsibility for half the field. Obiously there are still teams that play the traditiional SS and FS, but I'd argue on a majority of teams in the league the past few years, both starting safety positions are probably more similar in responsibility than say a flanker WR and his split end partner. Take the Bills for instance - Pettine came in saying both safety positions would be for all intents and purposes interchangeable. After 16 games, I'd argue that was half true - there were plenty of times in games (usually on obvious passing situations) where Byrd was a true centerfielder and AW played up on the line. However, on DBF's point on the lack of "run stuffing" safeties, I would argue that they haven't been phased out as much as used differently, albiet less - take how the Bills used Searcy this year and even Bryan Scott a few years back in the hybrid S/LB position in nickel and dime packages. They're still on teams, its just their reps and importance has been reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 JBoys I would have agreed with you less than 5 years ago, but I think DBF hit the nail on the head here - there are a ton of defenses that have their safeties interchangeable, where they give them responsibility for half the field. Obiously there are still teams that play the traditiional SS and FS, but I'd argue on a majority of teams in the league the past few years, both starting safety positions are probably more similar in responsibility than say a flanker WR and his split end partner. Take the Bills for instance - Pettine came in saying both safety positions would be for all intents and purposes interchangeable. After 16 games, I'd argue that was half true - there were plenty of times in games (usually on obvious passing situations) where Byrd was a true centerfielder and AW played up on the line. However, on DBF's point on the lack of "run stuffing" safeties, I would argue that they haven't been phased out as much as used differently, albiet less - take how the Bills used Searcy this year and even Bryan Scott a few years back in the hybrid S/LB position in nickel and dime packages. They're still on teams, its just their reps and importance has been reduced. Interesting. Like all positions, that of the "safety" has evolved as the game has evolved. Use to be that safeties, instead of "free" and "strong" were designated "left" and "right" as related to which side of the field they played. Regardless, one or both will play high or low, and the "safety" will always be the QBs first read, pre-snap. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 And iirc, his contact ask was in the ballpark of Goldson deal. We actually don't know what his demands were; all we know is a report from Adam Benigni claiming that Buffalo offered Byrd a contract that would make him the 4th highest paid safety in football. If you consider that credible, that is--I'm not sure if I do or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 That Finkel is no Einhorn..... or is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 edit: Will this board ever freaking learn a Strong Safety is 180degrees different then a Free Safety? Just because they end in safety doesn't mean they're similar! That's like saying a Quarterback and a Halfback are the same because they both have back on the end. ARGGGHH! Two quarterbacks = one halfback. And a strong safety is not 180 degrees than a free safety. It's only 90 degrees different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Let me think on this some more. Bit two quick hits. And sorry its a pain in the ass to quote from the cell. But we are judging reed and polamiloandstitch on their 5 gears ago And with our crazy db situation in 2913 I think Leonhard really gave a dynamic we did not expect. Prior to this year and mostly because of kinky and robey Byrd had been a traditional over the top umbrella FS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) We actually don't know what his demands were; all we know is a report from Adam Benigni claiming that Buffalo offered Byrd a contract that would make him the 4th highest paid safety in football. https://twitter.com/...801383921500160 If you consider that credible, that is--I'm not sure if I do or not. I really hate (sorry R Rich) that Benigni's meme has become the gospel, because of how he worded the tweet. Making Byrd the 4th highest paid safety doesn't make him the 4th best safety. It just reflects his timing to become a free agent. Goldson's deal set the market rate for a top level safety. Byrd should have been paid a smidgen more, and there would have been zero issues between him & the team. Edit: sorry, I was referring to Benigni's tweet that Byrd insisted on being the higher paid safety. That was the reflection of free agency. The going rate for 2013 free agent contracts surpassed previous contracts, and Byrd should have been the top 1 or 2 paid, based on his timing. Doesn't mean he's the best. Also, the Bills were putting an ideological line over $2- $3 million in guarantees over 3 years. That's small change, considering the guy is an all-pro. I hear all the arguments that you can't pay top dollar for every position. But the Bills also don't have all-pros in every position. When they finally stumbled onto one in a decade, it made sense to keep him. He's a good player and a difference maker on the field. Pay the man. Edited January 13, 2014 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Highly doubt that Seattle will not be able to re-sign Earl Thomas when his contract comes due. And that's a team with talent all over the field who'll find the cash to keep their top players under contract. Agree with GG. Who else are the Bills going to re-sign in 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 We actually don't know what his demands were; all we know is a report from Adam Benigni claiming that Buffalo offered Byrd a contract that would make him the 4th highest paid safety in football. If you consider that credible, that is--I'm not sure if I do or not. and even then - 4th highest paid is still a muddy term once you get into length, guarantees, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ed Reed: 12 years 64 INTs 11 forced funbles Earl Thomas: 4 years 15 INTs 5 forced fumbles Jairus Byrd: 5 years 22 INTS 11 forced fumbles Byrd creates more turnovers than Thomas does, so I'll take him. If those stats are accurate (I have no reason to think they are not, and too lazy to look myself) that is pretty damn impressive....Byrd isn't the hitter that the other two guys are...but nowadays, all that does is get you a flag...turnovers are huge! I will admit, I am one who is in the "let him fly if he doesn't want to be here....don't overpay him" camp..but those are impressive numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Highly doubt that Seattle will not be able to re-sign Earl Thomas when his contract comes due. And that's a team with talent all over the field who'll find the cash to keep their top players under contract. It will be interesting to see what they do. Let's remember, that in the next couple years, they are going to have to pay Wilson (who could have a SB = top QB money), Sherman (top corner money) and Thomas (top safety money). They are going to have some issues doing that. Edit: Okung will be coming due as well. Edited January 13, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) If those stats are accurate (I have no reason to think they are not, and too lazy to look myself) that is pretty damn impressive....Byrd isn't the hitter that the other two guys are...but nowadays, all that does is get you a flag...turnovers are huge! I will admit, I am one who is in the "let him fly if he doesn't want to be here....don't overpay him" camp..but those are impressive numbers. http://espn.go.com/n...613/jairus-byrd http://espn.go.com/n...id/3552/ed-reed http://espn.go.com/n...251/earl-thomas Troy Polamalu 11 years 32 INT 13 forced fumbles http://espn.go.com/n...4/troy-polamalu Edited January 13, 2014 by Fingon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 It will be interesting to see what they do. Let's remember, that in the next couple years, they are going to have to pay Wilson (who could have a SB = top QB money), Sherman (top corner money) and Thomas (top safety money). They are going to have some issues doing that. and Lynch. Thend Harvin still has a huge contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 and Lynch. Thend Harvin still has a huge contract. Good point. I forgot about those contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 http://espn.go.com/n...613/jairus-byrd http://espn.go.com/n...id/3552/ed-reed http://espn.go.com/n...251/earl-thomas Troy Polamalu 11 years 32 INT 13 forced fumbles http://espn.go.com/n...4/troy-polamalu P was a SS when a SS was a strong safety. And he was on the Pittsburgh D who has been stacked with LB's Much like Reed who was a FS who had the entire field to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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