IDBillzFan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Obamascare: 60% of online Obamacare defenders ‘paid to post’ hits on critics. Gator is three posts away from next month's Rover payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Still alive and serving over 20 million people! Including 29% of the population of poor white West Virginia Why can't people on the left look objectively at the ACA and see very clearly that it hasn't delivered on the promise to reduce costs for most people and that it should be fixed/replaced with a better set of rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Why can't people on the left look objectively at the ACA and see very clearly that it hasn't delivered on the promise to reduce costs for most people and that it should be fixed/replaced with a better set of rules? Consider the two messages gator gives you en route to his next Rover payment: one day he is here to yell "It's still alive and 20 million are being helped!" and the next day he's he to yell "The GOP owns this mess now!" People that stupid will never know self-awareness because they're simply too lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 With Obamacare in jeopardy, California considers going it alone with ‘single-payer’ system. “Why wouldn’t we take this as an opportunity to create what we want in California?” Dr. Mitch Katz, head of L.A. County’s health department, said at a conference in December. He mentioned a single-payer system as a possible solution. State Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) introduced a bill Friday that would make California the first state to adopt single-payer, also called “Medicare for all.” Colorado had a similar measure on the state ballot last November. Most state Democrats came out against the initiative, which would have nearly doubled state spending and payroll taxes in the first full year alone. “ColoradoCare” would have depressed jobs and wages, and voters rejected it by a massive four-to-one margin. California’s taxes are already about 60% higher, per capita, than Colorado’s. If California decides to go enact single payer, it’s impossible to say where the money will come from. But it’s easy to predict where the jobs will go: Away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 If California decides to go enact single payer, it’s impossible to say where the money will come from. But it’s easy to predict where the jobs will go: Away. I think we can tap into the surplus from the bullet train account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think we can tap into the surplus from the bullet train account. Too bad, bullet train is a great idea. But looks like ACA is hear to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Too bad, bullet train is a great idea. But looks like ACA is hear to stay. Where is "hear"? Is it within our "boarders"? Are you sure you are not duckdog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Where is "hear"? Is it within our "boarders"? Are you sure you are not duckdog? LOL..................spelling is the last of Gator's problems, when he responds to an article about democrat California changing the ACA with "its here to stay" Hysterical lack of logic. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Where is "hear"? Is it within our "boarders"? Are you sure you are not duckdog? LOL..................spelling is the last of Gator's problems, when he responds to an article about democrat California changing the ACA with "its here to stay" Hysterical lack of logic. . Dink and Donk feel good because I actually made a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) I know it's just the way The Donald speaks, but it is still hilarious when he overstates something........ Stephen MillerVerified account@redsteeze 2h2 hours ago Trump - "Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated." Paul Ryan - Edited February 27, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 President Donald Trump on Monday claimed that “nobody knew that health care could be so complicated,” and again flirted with the idea that Republicans should let Obamacare “implode” so that Democrats shoulder the blame. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-nobody-knew-that-health-care-could-be-so-complicated-235436 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Why can't people on the left look objectively at the ACA and see very clearly that it hasn't delivered on the promise to reduce costs for most people and that it should be fixed/replaced with a better set of rules? It was a double down on a broken system, that tried to accommodate all interests, which is impossible. The GOP will do the same thing, instead they will allow policies that cover very little to be sold so people will see ii as "cheap", and when those folks get sick they will end up broke and in bankruptcy anyway... so do you want expensive policies that actually cover stuff, or cheap policies that cover very little... in a way, 6 in one half a dozen in the other because neither option really fit the needs of most Americans The only other options are cash market for services or a single payor risk pool.... out won't go anywhere so we get swinging back and worth of the ACA or the alternative but very much the same GOP plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) 7 Myths About Obamacare, Debunked As the Republicans are getting ready to repeal and replace Obamacare, the Obamacare apologists are naturally spreading myths about the failed healthcare law to try and intimidate Republicans from repealing it. Here are seven myths about Obamacare and why each of them is false. 1. 20 million people will have the rug pulled out from under them if Obamacare is repealed. This is the most common refrain from Obamacare's apologists, as they howl about how these 20 million are going to lose health care as a result of Obamacare's repeal. But as Betsy McCaughey has pointed out in The Hill, the vast majority of these 20 million people are enrolled through Medicaid {snip} Fuller text after each point................ at the link 2. Obamacare has saved lives. 3. If Obamacare is repealed, people with pre-existing conditions won't have access to health care. 4. Red states that have been able to reject various aspects of Obamacare are responsible for higher premium increases 5. Obamacare was necessary in order to get rid of "junk" insurance plans. 6. The Obamacare "death spiral" is not backed up by evidence. 7. Repealing Obamacare will result in higher premiums. Edited March 1, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Every other industrialized country has a system that has cradle to grave HC at typically half the cost - for every citizen. Nice cut and paste but why do you settle for anything less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Every other industrialized country has a system that has cradle to grave HC at typically half the cost - for every citizen. Nice cut and paste but why do you settle for anything less? Please break down for us all of these industrialized countries that provide cradle-to-grave health care for 300,000,000 people at half the cost of the US. We'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Please break down for us all of these industrialized countries that provide cradle-to-grave health care for 300,000,000 people at half the cost of the US. We'll wait. But they actually do provide the health care cheaper. We can too, except for greed of certain corporations and the hate of certain voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 But they actually do provide the health care cheaper. We can too, except for greed of certain corporations and the hate of certain voters Exceptional analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Funny. Rats eating their own http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/meadows-ryan-obamacare-repeal-235518 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 But they actually do provide the health care cheaper. We can too, except for greed of certain corporations and the hate of certain voters Did you hear Trump's speech last night? He was speaking to you. You got fleeced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Did you hear Trump's speech last night? He was speaking to you. You got fleeced. Which lie he told are you taking as truth (because you are a stupid idiot) and making a silly point about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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