bdutton Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 I'm not so sure about that. Remember when Gruber got busted for saying that it was the stupidity of the American people that enabled them to sell the whole concept of Obamacare? That tells me that they knew the design was flawed from the outset. If you ask me, Obama's ego would be just as satisfied if history regarded him as the one who instigated the change to socialized healthcare. The thing is, so many people were against Obamacare that in the liberal state of MA they elected Scott Brown ® to the Senate to replace Ted Kennedy on his platform to vote against it. It was the Democrats in the Senate that made the deal to pass the House version that we now are stuck with. They did so just a day or two before Brown was sworn into office. This turd of legislation was widely unpopular and the Democrats pushed it only because it was the only chance they had. Also, this is not Socialized healthcare. This is a deal with insurance companies that went south fast. Basically, the Democrats promised millions of new subscribers to the insurance companies and backed it up with federal assistance if that didn't happen (payoffs to for profit companies). Chief Justice Roberts shares much of the blame for siding with the liberal left of the court that this was just another 'tax' in regards to the penalties for not being insured. How can a Chief Justice make the convoluted argument that the federal government can force a tax on you for not purchasing a product, one that you do not want, from a for profit company! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 At which point the failure will be blamed on the GOP. If only we hadn't elected Sarah Palin! Interesting use of the term "in real life". Have to laugh at the term. Nowhere is our Government "real life". It's a completely alternative universe. No one got fired for Iraq's not having WMD. No one. No one got fired for Fast 'n Furious. No one got fired for Obama's using the IRS against political foes. No one got fired for the Justice Dept and the FBI becoming wings of the Democrat party. No one got fired for the VA letting Vets die. No one got fired for the EPA doing this: And the list goes on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 The thing is, so many people were against Obamacare that in the liberal state of MA they elected Scott Brown ® to the Senate to replace Ted Kennedy on his platform to vote against it. It was the Democrats in the Senate that made the deal to pass the House version that we now are stuck with. They did so just a day or two before Brown was sworn into office. This turd of legislation was widely unpopular and the Democrats pushed it only because it was the only chance they had. Also, this is not Socialized healthcare. This is a deal with insurance companies that went south fast. Basically, the Democrats promised millions of new subscribers to the insurance companies and backed it up with federal assistance if that didn't happen (payoffs to for profit companies). Chief Justice Roberts shares much of the blame for siding with the liberal left of the court that this was just another 'tax' in regards to the penalties for not being insured. How can a Chief Justice make the convoluted argument that the federal government can force a tax on you for not purchasing a product, one that you do not want, from a for profit company! All good points. It's quite incredible how the media isn't covering this the way it should be. It's incredible but also predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 The thing is, so many people were against Obamacare that in the liberal state of MA they elected Scott Brown ® to the Senate to replace Ted Kennedy on his platform to vote against it. It was the Democrats in the Senate that made the deal to pass the House version that we now are stuck with. They did so just a day or two before Brown was sworn into office. This turd of legislation was widely unpopular and the Democrats pushed it only because it was the only chance they had. Also, this is not Socialized healthcare. This is a deal with insurance companies that went south fast. Basically, the Democrats promised millions of new subscribers to the insurance companies and backed it up with federal assistance if that didn't happen (payoffs to for profit companies). Chief Justice Roberts shares much of the blame for siding with the liberal left of the court that this was just another 'tax' in regards to the penalties for not being insured. How can a Chief Justice make the convoluted argument that the federal government can force a tax on you for not purchasing a product, one that you do not want, from a for profit company! But didn't the people of Massachusetts have Romneycare? If so, why would they support replacing it with a national version that was so obviously flawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 But didn't the people of Massachusetts have Romneycare? If so, why would they support replacing it with a national version that was so obviously flawed? Ironic... but if you know the people of MA like I do (having lived there). Romney was a moderate left republican who was able to influence the content of the bill in the State. It was basically veto proof. He was able to get some of what he wanted in the bill knowing that if he didn't he would end up getting it sent to him without need to sign. That being said... states rights yo. The Constitution of the United states does not apply to legislation made by states so long as it does not infringe on an individuals right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Ironic... but if you know the people of MA like I do (having lived there). Romney was a moderate left republican who was able to influence the content of the bill in the State. It was basically veto proof. He was able to get some of what he wanted in the bill knowing that if he didn't he would end up getting it sent to him without need to sign. That being said... states rights yo. The Constitution of the United states does not apply to legislation made by states so long as it does not infringe on an individuals right. I'm aware of states rights vs constitutional law. My query was based on the fact that the state already had it's own version of government health care/insurance, so it seemed obvious that it would be easy to whip up support against a national version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I'm aware of states rights vs constitutional law. My query was based on the fact that the state already had it's own version of government health care/insurance, so it seemed obvious that it would be easy to whip up support against a national version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 AFFORDABLE Care act update: JUST IN: Arizona faces Obamacare rate hikes up to 75 percent http://washex.am/2eiNE3U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I met with a health insurance broker I'm networking with. He said it's a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I met with a health insurance broker I'm networking with. He said it's a mess. Did he have any news on General Franco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Did he have any news on General Franco? Yes....he's still dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Yes....he's still dead. Thanks, Obama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMED: Fewer Americans Have Private Health Insurance Now Than In 2007. President Obama and Hillary Clinton love to talk about the "20 million people" who've allegedly been added to the health insurance rolls under Obamacare. But in truth, a lower percentage of Americans have private health insurance now than in 2007, even though Obamacare is the law. That's according to the federal government's own figures. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (see table 1.2b), 66.8 percent of those living in the United States had private health insurance in 2007. Now, as of 2015 (the most recent year for which figures are available), only 65.6 percent of those living in the United States have private health insurance. It turns out that median incomes aren't the only thing that have dropped since 2007. There are currently about 320 million people living in America. If the percentage who have private health insurance were as high now as it was in 2007, 3.8 million more people would now have private health insurance. Meanwhile, the CDC figures show that the percentage of people living in the United States who have public health coverage has risen dramatically, from 18.1 percent in 2007 to 25.3 percent in 2015 (see table 1.2a). If that percentage had stayed the same as in 2007, 23 million fewer people would now have public health coverage. In other words, Obamacare is a massive Medicaid expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 OBAMACARE! WHAT CAN’T IT DO? Minnesota’s version of the Affordable Care Act is called MNSure. Like all such implementations of the federal law, it has been a disaster. Last week, Minnesota’s left-wing governor, Mark Dayton, created a firestorm when he accidentally blurted out the truth: “The reality is the Affordable Care Act is no longer affordable to increasing numbers of people.” Dayton has been furiously backpedaling away from that comment ever since, but local Democrats are so worried about MNSure’s unpopularity that they are calling for a special session prior to the election to try to fix the problems with the statute. Bad as the situation is, most Minnesotans don’t know about one of the unintended effects of Obamacare: it is driving up property taxes all across the state. MNSure is supposed to allow individuals to enroll in the program online. But the system doesn’t work; it never has, and those who work with it daily say it never will. As a result, counties have been forced to hire more staff to do manually what MNSure was supposed to accomplish on the internet. Tom Steward, my colleague at Center of the American Experiment, has the scoop: By now most Minnesotans realize the Affordable Care Act has drastically increased the cost of healthcare coverage for many, while at the same time decreasing coverage choices. *** What’s not widely known is that taxpayers are also being gouged for millions of dollars a year on their property tax bills because of ongoing problems with MNsure, the state’s health insurance exchange. This hidden cost is borne by counties to compensate for the inefficiencies and software failures of MNsure’s dysfunctional IT system. “This has been a huge unfunded mandate on the counties. Once again, we’re cleaning up the state’s mess,” Dakota County Commissioner Mary Liz Holberg told Center of the American Experiment. *** The Minnesota Association of Counties estimates taxpayers spend an additional $27 million annually to work around the flawed online METS technology. This year alone some 249 extra eligibility workers were added to county government payrolls statewide. *** The number of new government employees added to county payrolls has varied widely, ranging from 54 new employees in Hennepin County to two new workers in Pennington County in Northwestern Minnesota. Consequently, county levies are rising across the state. Has there ever been a comprehensive failure to match Obamacare? It has driven up the cost of health care, made it illegal for people to buy cheaper coverage with fewer mandates, eaten up many billions of federal tax dollars, wasted uncounted billions in state income and sales taxes. And now it is driving up property taxes because the program’s failures have to be dealt with by counties. In a normal election cycle, the disaster that is the Affordable Care Act would have been a campaign issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Has there ever been a comprehensive failure to match Obamacare? It has driven up the cost of health care, made it illegal for people to buy cheaper coverage with fewer mandates, eaten up many billions of federal tax dollars, wasted uncounted billions in state income and sales taxes. And now it is driving up property taxes because the program’s failures have to be dealt with by counties. In a normal election cycle, the disaster that is the Affordable Care Act would have been a campaign issue. You've got it all wrong my friend. Think like a Progressive The Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) is not a comprehensive failure. Yeah sure it has driven up the cost of health care, made it illegal for people to buy cheaper coverage with fewer mandates, eaten up many billions of federal tax dollars, wasted uncounted billions in state income and sales taxes. And now it is driving up property taxes because the program’s failures have to be dealt with by counties. But if how bad could it be without Obamacare? If you replace the factual failures of Obamacare with the speculative alternatives, it's not so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I met with a health insurance broker I'm networking with. He said it's a mess. Did he mention the Shah's spleen? My God man, it's football season. Think about the spleen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 As ‘starter homes’ go, Obamacare a tear-down Boston Herald, by Howie Carr Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 OPEN UP AND SAY AHHHHHH: Obamacare premiums rising, choice decreasing. THANK HEAVENS GOVERNMENT MONEY COMES FROM MAGICAL UNICORNS: Rates Rise Again For Obamacare Health Plans, But So Do Subsidies. 21ST CENTURY QUESTIONS: What if your Obamacare insurer has left the business? RELATED: It’s official: Double-digit rate hikes for Obamacare. RAMESH PONNURU: Why Obama Won’t Listen to Reason on Obamacare. The core problem with his speech was not that he overestimated the merits of Obamacare (as much as I believe that he did). Nor was it the partisan silliness in which the president sometimes indulged. It’s that he refused to acknowledge that conservatives have reasonable disagreements with him about the direction of health-care policy. Oba ma believes that only comprehensive insurance policies are real insurance. Conservatives generally believe, by contrast, that people should be free to buy cheaper policies that protect them only from financial catastrophes arising from their health needs. It’s a difference that leads to others. Obama says that people who are having trouble buying insurance on Obamacare’s exchanges should receive more generous subsidies. The conservative alternative — relax the regulations that make the insurance unaffordable for them — is unacceptable to him because it would be a retreat from comprehensiveness. All of the president’s shows of open-mindedness include similar caveats. “I won” is not indicative of a open-minded thinker willing to listen to others and reach a consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 http://truthfeed.com/video-obamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-who-called-american-stupid-says-obamacare-works/32137/ Gruber claims the ACA was bipartisan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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