Kemp2Warlick Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 numberfire.com/nfl/news/1561/fred-jackson-the-ageless-wonder …Fred is #5 on the top 10 list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 That's an interesting article. Ageless Freddy J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 All I know is that we need to get rid of Fred based on that other thread someone started ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Statistical analysis is deadly accurate when using large groups. The problem is projecting that to an individual. People beat the odds all the time especially exceptional individuals and Fred Jackson is certainly one of those. Sooner or later the years will catch up to him. I will bet the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 That is a really great article. I've always liked Fred. There is something about him that just inspires everyone around him. I hope his agelessness lasts a while longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Astonishing how short a RB's career is. The oldest ever to hit those metrics is 32 -- FJ and Walter Payton. Barring injury, I see no reason why he can't be dominant for two more seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 All I know is that we need to get rid of Fred based on that other thread someone started ... I wish TSW had a like button.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) So, hey. I remember a thread about Fred Jackson being a top 5 back a few months ago. Yeah. What happened to that?! It was this one: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/162858-fred-jackson-is-a-stud-top-5-back/ Edited December 20, 2013 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 All I know is that we need to get rid of Fred based on that other thread someone started ... No, we just need to trade him for a 1st or 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Where is my new friend oman128 ? I am interested in converting him. To a Fred believer . Fred and CJ forever do you all know we have never properly named the duo ? Next season perhaps . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Anyone who watches the Bills on a regular basis can see the obvious: FredX is the best offensive player on the team. And his value goes way beyond the stats (as good as they are), but also his leadership and example. Yes, one of these days he will hit that tipping point of his age catching up to him. But until then, watch and enjoy what a true profession we have in Fred Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Plus, he can convert kilobaryes to hectopascals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Plus, he can convert kilobaryes to hectopascals. you're an idiot, but that is pretty funny. Too bad we do not have any other players that can perform with hectopascals, especially SJ13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) numberfire.com/nfl/news/1561/fred-jackson-the-ageless-wonder …Fred is #5 on the top 10 list great find; thanks. The key graph, however (which echoes a point I made in another thread): "Let’s note a few things here. First, NEP numbers are lower for running backs compared to passers and receivers because running the ball is far less effective than throwing it. That doesn’t mean that rushing should be eliminated from the game of football, but it does tell us that throwing the football will yield more offensive success than running it. And that’s pretty evident when you watch the majority of NFL teams in today’s game." The passing game has been the Bills problem for years because of the QB problems. Chan Gailey was a great passing game coach, fwiw. Edited December 21, 2013 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 great find; thanks. The key graph, however (which echoes a point I made in another thread): "Let’s note a few things here. First, NEP numbers are lower for running backs compared to passers and receivers because running the ball is far less effective than throwing it. That doesn’t mean that rushing should be eliminated from the game of football, but it does tell us that throwing the football will yield more offensive success than running it. And that’s pretty evident when you watch the majority of NFL teams in today’s game." The passing game has been the Bills problem for years because of the QB problems. Chan Gailey was a great passing game coach, fwiw. I hope he gets a chance to come back in the league. I have wondered what he would do with a team like Detroit. Having Reggie Bush, Calvin Johnson, and Stafford would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesdawg Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Possibly the hardest working, most undervalued player of his position in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I've got an advanced metric for you -- it's called the WIN COLUMN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I've got an advanced metric for you -- it's called the WIN COLUMN I'm gonna put this one down to drinking too much Christmas spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelouie Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Fred is a great back and also a leader. You need guys like him on a team. Bills are fortunate to have him. I wish they could get Freddy and Spiller on the field at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I've got an advanced metric for you -- it's called the WIN COLUMN Amen, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 This article is excellent as it demonstrates what knowledgable football fans can see. Fred gets the tough yards! He always falls forward, has excellent balance, and when we are 3rd and 3, Marrone realized to trust Fred, not CJ. The exception was the Bucs game and we paid for it. I was at the game and when CJ was on the field we had so many negative plays. Don't misunderstand I like Spiller, but he is better suited for the spread offense as it opens more holes, and not as much crowding in the box. This is what Gailey knew about Spiller, but when you go max protect like the Ravens game with big Frank, the Tank plowing a hole, Fred is much more productive than Spiller in the same packages. Now when Spiller is healthy, and in the spread, he gives us those elusive runs and at the second level can break for 70 yards. Fred is not as fast so he can get caught. I love them both and we have a sound running game. Other than my guess in Spillers health, a problem is Hackett. I think he is over his head, and you just wonder if a OC like Kubiak, or even Gailey, what we could have done. I do agree with the previous post in the deficit is in the passing game with EJ and the other 10 QB's before him since 2000. For the people that bash SJ and the other WR (except Graham as he has stone hands) they can't throw to themselves. I'm not focused on the draft yet, but god we need a pass catching TE, and a big WR. dump Graham, and add these two weapons with a year of development for EJ, and we could contend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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