LB3 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 This kid deserves a ton of credit for how he's played. He's been incredible. He looks more confident than he ever has. He's always been able to stay step for step with anyone but couldn't locate the ball well enough to defense the pass. He is now locating the ball really well. He hits like a truck too. When we signed him to his new contract it seemed like a lot for a guy who was a great returner and an average corner. Well I am now ecstatic that they did make that deal because this scheme fit's his press man ability perfectly. He's even played better than Gilmore. Pairing him with Gilmore (once fully healthy and acclimated) and Robey at corner and Williams and Byrd (please sign him long term next year FO) at safety I think we could challenge Seattle for the best defensive backfield in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 McKelvin has played well, and of that there's no doubt. However, I think that there's a fundamental problem with reasoning as to why he's playing well. Very simply, when your defensive line gets pressure and gets it quickly, it makes QB's rush their throws. Any QB in the NFL that's given time is going to be able to pick you apart. Geno passed for 331 yards in week 3 and looked all world. The Bills really didn't get to him much that day. Not the case yesterday. McKelvin has always been aggressive. It suits him well when the front four are doing their job, but will be a liability when they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) McKelvin has played well, and of that there's no doubt. However, I think that there's a fundamental problem with reasoning as to why he's playing well. Very simply, when your defensive line gets pressure and gets it quickly, it makes QB's rush their throws. Any QB in the NFL that's given time is going to be able to pick you apart. Geno passed for 331 yards in week 3 and looked all world. The Bills really didn't get to him much that day. Not the case yesterday. McKelvin has always been aggressive. It suits him well when the front four are doing their job, but will be a liability when they don't. I really wish Leo didn't go out in the first series when we played the Jets the first time. He could have made a huge difference. I agree with your point that pressure helps corners as it definitely does, but that goes both ways. Take away receivers and the d line has more time to get the QB. Luckily, both of our units seem pretty solid to this point in the season. Edited November 18, 2013 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnysteel Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 i don't know if its the wrist injury or what, but McKelvin has looked better (some games considerably better) than Gilmore this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I would like to hear what Leodis has to say about his improved play. It's mind blowing in so many different ways. Most significantly, Leodis has always been horrible at tracking the ball or playing the ball in the air. Now, it's like the best part of his game. What changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I would like to hear what Leodis has to say about his improved play. It's mind blowing in so many different ways. Most significantly, Leodis has always been horrible at tracking the ball or playing the ball in the air. Now, it's like the best part of his game. What changed? when multiple things fall in to place it is funny how an entire structure can be solidified. We have a safety duo that doesn't have to always cover the MLB we have an MLB who can move in his lanes and scrape without being double teamed. We have a DL that can penetrate and move the pocket as well as cover the gaps that provide lanes. We have the OLB's that can cover the flats. That jist makes it that much easier for a CB to play his man. Pettines system fits this unit perfectly and I believe that is a major reason he chose Buffalo. I have a wish list id like to send him for Christmas. I want him to try a few things. Especially come NE I have been working on what I will do to beat them and stop that offense. I'll post stuff about it later but if we keep seeing this progression and develop a DE opposite Mario who can drop to pass once in a blue moon...Carrington can, then we will see Robey with some nickel back sacks. Also we have numerous ways we can generate pressure with fronts that result in coverage sacks on a 3 man rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think the change is that we have a DC that adapted the defense to the players we had instead of forcing the players to adapt to the defense Wanny wanted. Byrd said yesterday that the players have a lot more options this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 He's got a different db coach for the first time since he got here, don't underestimate the impact Henderson has had on our entire group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Leodis Island..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 McKelvin has played well, and of that there's no doubt. However, I think that there's a fundamental problem with reasoning as to why he's playing well. Very simply, when your defensive line gets pressure and gets it quickly, it makes QB's rush their throws. Any QB in the NFL that's given time is going to be able to pick you apart. Geno passed for 331 yards in week 3 and looked all world. The Bills really didn't get to him much that day. Not the case yesterday. McKelvin has always been aggressive. It suits him well when the front four are doing their job, but will be a liability when they don't. I guess I get your point from a "sake of arguement" perspective, but do you honestly believe Geno has the same stat line in week 3 with a healthy McKelvin and Gillmore? Have you ever heard the term "coverage sack?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The results suggest Gilmore has been greatly impacted by his injury. Loedis is also looking like the talent he was drafted to be Things could become very beautiful if both of these guys play at the level we now know they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I guess I get your point from a "sake of arguement" perspective, but do you honestly believe Geno has the same stat line in week 3 with a healthy McKelvin and Gillmore? Have you ever heard the term "coverage sack?" He may have. He had all day to throw in that first game. I only recall one time yesterday where he had a lot of time, and that resulted in the long completion to Holmes on that cross, on which McKelvin was covering. The pressure really rattled Geno yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 It's a combination of factors I believe... For one, the team is putting pressure on QBs, so the CBs don't have to cover for a half hour; that helps. For another, for the first time in his career, Leodis isn't being asked to play a heavily-schemed coverage. He's lining up in man 90% of the time; that's what he's good at, and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) McKelvin has played well but teams seem to be concentrating on Gilmore and considering his play I cant blame them i really like Robey in the slot Edited November 18, 2013 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) McKelvin has played well but teams seem to be concentrating on Gilmore and considering his play I cant blame them i really like Robey in the slot I would say it's a good thing if it's a pick your poison type situation. They do seem to be going at Gilmore this year, which could be due to not being 100% yet. How many catches did Gilmore give up yesterday? I only remember 1 for 33 yards to Holmes. Also, completely agree on Robey. He looks like a 1st round corner (based on his play and not his size) and we got him undrafted. It's nice to be the team that finds the gem and doesn't have to worry about how their scouting could be so wrong on a guy. I know we passed on him every round too, but we got him in the end. Edited November 18, 2013 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 McKelvin is playing well, but it's a shame the stupid Bills' front office signed him to that ridiculously expensive extension in the off-season. Damn you Buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 McKelvin has played well but teams seem to be concentrating on Gilmore and considering his play I cant blame them i really like Robey in the slot What kills me about Gilmore is that he holds on every play. He just mugs the receiver all the way down the field, and then, a lot of times, still is giving up the catch. There were several plays yesterday where he very clearly should have been called for interference or illegal contact, but really lucked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Also. We have Mario to contain. That is huge. It frees up CBs and doesn't make them responsible for the blown coverage by a weak DE. The pounding a CB takes tackling a RB adds up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 McKelvin has played well, and of that there's no doubt. However, I think that there's a fundamental problem with reasoning as to why he's playing well. Very simply, when your defensive line gets pressure and gets it quickly, it makes QB's rush their throws. Any QB in the NFL that's given time is going to be able to pick you apart. Geno passed for 331 yards in week 3 and looked all world. The Bills really didn't get to him much that day. Not the case yesterday. McKelvin has always been aggressive. It suits him well when the front four are doing their job, but will be a liability when they don't. chicken or the egg??? Is the DL better because the coverage of the DBs or are the DBs better because we're getting better DL play? They really go hand in hand. Let's just be happy that we're firing in all cylinders at this point of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 chicken or the egg??? Is the DL better because the coverage of the DBs or are the DBs better because we're getting better DL play? They really go hand in hand. Let's just be happy that we're firing in all cylinders at this point of the season. Marrone gave the DBs a lot of credit in his presser yesterday. If the first read isn't there, then that extra tick to find the second is about all it takes for the Dline to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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