4th and Goal at the one

[CardinalScotts]

I like the call you have all game to make up for it, its an attitude we havent had in forever

[PolishDave]

For those of you who wanted to kick the field goal there, do you also want to bring Dick Jauron back? That is what he would have done. And when we lost the game anyway you would have been wondering "what if" we had gone for it there?

 

Would you also like to punt from the opponents 35 yard line instead of trying a field goal?

 

I have been dreaming of the day when the Bills would get a coach with the sense to go for it in situations like that 4th and goal from the one.

 

In my opinion it was a no-brainer call. I commend them for going for the touchdown. They were playing to win instead of playing "not to lose"

 

As others have said, you certainly don't expect them to go 99 yards for 6 if you don't get it. Allowing that 99 yard drive was their biggest mistake.

 

They made the right decision to go for it.

[Peace Frog]

Go for it on fourth and goal from the 1? Great call. Terrible play call. We score the TD and the momentum of the game is in our favor at that point. Besides, if Cincy can execute a TD drive from their 2 yd line, then they can also do it from their own 20, assuming we kick the FG and the ensuing KO is a touchback. I think Marrone felt our D wasn't stopping their O good enough so he gambled that we should try to grab 7 instead of 3 at that point in the game.

[JM57]

They had multiple attempts to pound it in and failed. At that point, kick the figgie and take the (almost) sure thing.

If they had been moving the ball and had just barely missed it that would have been a different story. But with multiple failed attempts already, they should have gotten the hint.

 

4th and 1 should be converted roughly 75% of the time. Play calling play calling play calling

[vincec]

I know people are probably saying " if we kicked the field goal then we would have won!" But I like it how he feels comfortable doing that, even though he had a practice squad QB in the game.

 

OK. Now... Who thinks it was a bad move or was it a good move.

 

Only thing I didn't like is how we ran the same play three downs in a row!!

Definitely agree with the decision to go for it. Should've run it a fourth time, IMO. I can hear Vince Lombardi saying "if you can't get one yard then you don't deserve to win". If the Bills are trying to develop an attitude that they can run it on anybody then that was a great opportunity to build confidence.

[nobody]

Just wish Hackett would have tried to spread it out on those goal line runs. Versus a front like Cincinnati's, I thought maybe going four wides and getting a few bodies out of the box gives our backs a better chance to find that crease.

 

Ditto

[Leelee Phoenix]

Good move.

 

Easily the percentage play.

 

Nice to see Marrone do that for a change and believe in his offense.

 

4th and 1 should be converted roughly 75% of the time.

Much higher than that, more in the 90% range if you practice sneaks at all

Edited October 15, 2013 by Leelee Phoenix

[ExiledInIllinois]

cost the Bills the game

 

No. It comes out in the wash. Here is my logic:

 

Didn't they go for it later in the game (4th quarter with 12 minutes left) on 4th and 8 from the Cincy 22 and make a TD? To me, it comes out in the wash. They kick the FG early and kick FG again to make it an 8 point game. It would have been 24-13 when it was 4th and 8 from the Cincy 22 in the early 4th quarter. They NEVER would have went for it on 4th down and 8 with that much time on the clock in the 4th quarter. That is total of only 6 points. They got 7 with the second 4th down try and nothing w/the first.

 

Actually, not going for it helped them to surely tie!... And force OT! Kicking that FG, they would have kicked another (instead of TD) and then had to hope they make the 2 point conversion.

 

Again, I call it a wash.

[Sisyphean Bills]

I know people are probably saying " if we kicked the field goal then we would have won!" But I like it how he feels comfortable doing that, even though he had a practice squad QB in the game.

 

OK. Now... Who thinks it was a bad move or was it a good move.

 

Only thing I didn't like is how we ran the same play three downs in a row!!

 

Gregg Williams is thinking "punt".

[Playoff Bound]

At the time I didn't like the decision to go for the touchdown. I would have taken the points. Thinking about Greg Williams and Dick Jauron though makes me laugh thinking that the Bills were able to allow them to reach the level of this incompetency. It kind of fits. The Bills seem to not make the right decision more times than not.

[reddogblitz]

I have looked for the stats of NFL teams going for it on 4th and goal and haven't been able to find it. Anyone have it?

 

Here's why I didn't like it and wouldn't do it:

 

Football is a game driven by momentum, emotion, and machismo. Aside from not getting the points when you don't get it, which is bound to happen, nothing fires up a team like a goal line stand. It takes your momentum of getting a good drive and points and gives it squarely to the team that was macho enough to stop you on 4 tries plus about 100. It's not uncommon for a team to drive down to points after stopping a team on 4th and goal. We took it away from ourselves and gave it to them.

 

I don't like this and am on record of saying before the play to go for the FG. I know I'm in the minority here and I'm good with that. It's fine in college football I guess, but it cost us Sunday.

 

It was a good call because the math says so.

 

What does this mean exactly? How does the math say so?

Edited October 15, 2013 by reddogblitz

[Wing Man]

For those of you who wanted to kick the field goal there, do you also want to bring Dick Jauron back? That is what he would have done. And when we lost the game anyway you would have been wondering "what if" we had gone for it there?

 

Would you also like to punt from the opponents 35 yard line instead of trying a field goal?

 

I have been dreaming of the day when the Bills would get a coach with the sense to go for it in situations like that 4th and goal from the one.

 

In my opinion it was a no-brainer call. I commend them for going for the touchdown. They were playing to win instead of playing "not to lose"

 

As others have said, you certainly don't expect them to go 99 yards for 6 if you don't get it. Allowing that 99 yard drive was their biggest mistake.

 

They made the right decision to go for it.

+111

[reddogblitz]

For those of you who wanted to kick the field goal there, do you also want to bring Dick Jauron back? That is what he would have done. And when we lost the game anyway you would have been wondering "what if" we had gone for it there?

 

Would you also like to punt from the opponents 35 yard line instead of trying a field goal?

I wanted to kick the FG and don't want Dick Jauron back. Not sure why Dick Jauron has anything to do with this really. But as far as Dick goes, he was a more successful HC than Coach Marrone has been so far in his career. Dick .423 winning percentage and one playoff appearance. Coach Marrone: .333 The same as Coach Gailey's wining % with the Bills btw.

 

And, I have seen Coach Marrone punt from the opponents 37 yard line this year.

 

I'm actually seeing a lot of similarities between Coach Marrone and Dick. Both are unemotional on the side lines. They both make odd game time decisions like Coach Marrone going for it and Dick trying a fake FG against NE one time that made no sense. Both lose a lot of close games. Try to keep it close and "steal it at the end.:" A questionable strategy at best with similar results so far.

Edited October 15, 2013 by reddogblitz

[BillnutinHouston]

How anybody could say we would have won is beyond me....no one knows how the game would have played out if we kick the field goal...you can't add the 3 points to the score and say victory....doesn't work like that and if you think that....please help yourself.

Correct answer.

 

Edited October 15, 2013 by BillnutinHouston

[Bufcomments]

I know people are probably saying " if we kicked the field goal then we would have won!" But I like it how he feels comfortable doing that, even though he had a practice squad QB in the game.

 

OK. Now... Who thinks it was a bad move or was it a good move.

 

Only thing I didn't like is how we ran the same play three downs in a row!!

The play call on 3rd down was the key. It seems like the Bengals knew it was coming. They should have throw it on 3rd down knowing they were going to go for it on 4th down.

But I have no problem with the call to go for it.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I know people are probably saying " if we kicked the field goal then we would have won!" But I like it how he feels comfortable doing that, even though he had a practice squad QB in the game.

 

OK. Now... Who thinks it was a bad move or was it a good move.

 

Only thing I didn't like is how we ran the same play three downs in a row!!

I was annoyed he didn't take the points at the time but know the rest of the game would have been different if they score there, and it doesn't automatically make the bills win.

[thebandit27]

For those of you who wanted to kick the field goal there, do you also want to bring Dick Jauron back? That is what he would have done. And when we lost the game anyway you would have been wondering "what if" we had gone for it there?

 

Would you also like to punt from the opponents 35 yard line instead of trying a field goal?

 

I have been dreaming of the day when the Bills would get a coach with the sense to go for it in situations like that 4th and goal from the one.

 

In my opinion it was a no-brainer call. I commend them for going for the touchdown. They were playing to win instead of playing "not to lose"

 

As others have said, you certainly don't expect them to go 99 yards for 6 if you don't get it. Allowing that 99 yard drive was their biggest mistake.

 

They made the right decision to go for it.

 

Although those of us that wanted the field goal hashed out our reasoning already, I'll sum up:

 

- I like the idea I tying up the game with a virtually guaranteed play

- I don't want an 80-yard drive to end with zero points

- I don't want to suck all the air out of the stadium by getting stopped on a goal line stand when I don't need to go for it there

 

Remember, these are opinions, not facts.

[BuffOrange]

No. It comes out in the wash. Here is my logic:

 

Didn't they go for it later in the game (4th quarter with 12 minutes left) on 4th and 8 from the Cincy 22 and make a TD? To me, it comes out in the wash. They kick the FG early and kick FG again to make it an 8 point game. It would have been 24-13 when it was 4th and 8 from the Cincy 22 in the early 4th quarter. They NEVER would have went for it on 4th down and 8 with that much time on the clock in the 4th quarter. That is total of only 6 points. They got 7 with the second 4th down try and nothing w/the first.

 

Actually, not going for it helped them to surely tie!... And force OT! Kicking that FG, they would have kicked another (instead of TD) and then had to hope they make the 2 point conversion.

 

Again, I call it a wash.

 

Correct - I mentioned this a dozen times between Sunday night & Monday afternoon. I think Mike Schopp was reading my posts.

Moreover I think every coach will tell you 4th&goal from the 1-2 is essentially the same play as a 2pt conversion (which makes sense) so it's doubtful they would've gotten the 2 and got to OT considering how the 4th down went.

[The Dog]

My two cents, the Bill's should have mixed up the play calling, spread the offense.

[Never NEVER Give-up]

Not 1 QB Sneak? On one of the four plays, the D-Line had a gap between our C & LG. Lewis should have taken it himself on that play.