C.Biscuit97 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 My brief assessment of EJ and Geno at this point? EJ -- very careful, needs work on his feet, not taking many chances, but shows excellent presence and is a natural leader Geno -- more of a gunslinger, throws a pretty ball, but has zero pocket presence and takes chances Long term I still prefer EJ's qualities, because we know he has the physical tools. Good breakdown. Also, Smith has the more veteran coaching staff and the Jets might have a top D. I thought Smith got way too much hate, but I still like Manuel over him. But this thread is insanely early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 But this thread is insanely early. It's a great troll thread. Notice the lack of any initial discussion? Expect a few more years of threads like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Way too early to even have this thread. Too early in the game or too early in the season? Either way, it's ridiculous to think you know for certain either was a good or bad pick at this point. Not to mention, if the Falcons aren't (a) dumb enough to skip the field goal at the end of the first half and (b) especially dumb enough to think running it twice there was a good plan, it's pretty easy to see Geno didn't win that game so much as the coach blew it. Geno made some good throws, but you didn't see anything last night you haven't seen from EJ when given the call. But some folks, y'know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 So Geno has showed he can throw an accurate long ball. Doesn't miss wide open receivers and tight ends like EJ and has shown he is durable unlike EJ. Head to head Geno outplayed EJ. 5 games...short sample but Geno is playing better right now. To think otherwise is being delusional. You're kidding right? The only delusional thing is to 1.) suggest that you can determine who is better after five games, and 2.) suggest that Geno's rating has nothing to do with the terrible pass defenses that he has played in the last four weeks. He has three (or four) times the number of interceptions and turnovers that EJ does. Why? Because he might have a good arm (which EJ has shown he also has in several of the games we've played) but he is a very poor decision maker with the football. Long term, that is not going to change, because Geno is not particularly football smart. When the OC calls for a double fly route, throw it as far as you can, anyone can do that. What happens to Geno when he plays a better defense? He implodes, and has 4 turnovers. EJ has not played a game nearly that bad. Consistency is the key to determining which QB is going to be better, or is playing better right now. EJ has been more consistent. And, as I mentioned in another post today, people have quickly forgotten how well he was playing on Thursday night before he got hurt. Before he left the game, the Browns defense couldn't stop us, either in the run game or passing the ball. People need to take a step back and evaluate both QBs play as a whole, rather than making irrational statements after reviewing just one week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I don't think this is necessarily a trolling thread. Remember that up until the end of the Bills-Jets game, most here were pretty confident that EJ was well ahead of the other guy, and many felt that there wasn't much of a comparison. Today, the draft day pouting doesn't matter as much as the 2 injuries to EJ that are going to prevent him from working out the problems he has. The single most important thing we needed from this season was to know that we had our guy under center. Not an all-world guy, necessarily, but someone we could reasonably project into the role of franchise QB. The Jets had the same issue. With half the preseason and maybe half the regular season lost to injury, I think there is a better chance that we won't know what we have at the end of the season than we will have our hopes for EJ confirmed. And I think the Jets have to be pretty comfortable with where Geno is headed. These 2 will always be compared to each other. Just the way it is going to be. Making that comparison is not trolling. kj Adding: I agree it's too early to make a final assessment about them, but many were willing to do that earlier when it looked like EJ was ahead. Thinking of it as a marathon, I think EJ has fallen well behind. Edited October 8, 2013 by l< j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Geno Smith looks pretty good. There's no denying that. I think almost everyone thought that while he had the most natural talent, the pressure of NYC would crush him. The thing that will make or break him as his career progresses is how he handles a defense that can pressure him in the pocket. If the Jets can give him a very good offensive line then they are set at QB for a long time. As for EJ Manuel, the Bills went with the QB who had waaaay more in the leadership and steadiness department than natural throwing ability. They felt that they can "fine tune" the rawness of his mechanics which in turn will make him a more accurate thrower. So far EJ has been exactly what we thought he'd be, a leader who can make plays that win you games and also a rookie QB that needs to work on the rawness of his mechanics which in time will hopefully improve his accuracy. Both players still have question marks which only time will answer. I'm still very happy the Bills took EJ over Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdragon2 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Most of this fanbase is upper level manic depressive schizophrenic... EJ is awesome...**** Geno did good? The FO is horrible!!!! If EJ isn't better in a year or so well talk...right now? It's far too early. Put the goddamn pitchforks away and be patient for Christs sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Keep in context the vast majority here pegged Geno Smith as a bust before he even played his first NFL game. Geno Smith is playing very well. He throws a MUCH more accurate ball down field. Keep in mind Smith has very little weapons on offense, EJ has several. EJ has shown he can't stay healthy and thats a BIG PROBLEM going forward. Edited October 8, 2013 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 My brief assessment of EJ and Geno at this point? EJ -- very careful, needs work on his feet, not taking many chances, but shows excellent presence and is a natural leader Geno -- more of a gunslinger, throws a pretty ball, but has zero pocket presence and takes chances Long term I still prefer EJ's qualities, because we know he has the physical tools. Ryan Fitzpatrick - very careful, not taking many chances, but shows excellent presence and is a natural leader Jim Kelly - more of a gunslinger, throws a pretty ball, and takes chances Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ryan Fitzpatrick - very careful, not taking many chances, but shows excellent presence and is a natural leader Jim Kelly - more of a gunslinger, throws a pretty ball, and takes chances Discuss. So you're saying Fitzy=Manuel and Kelly = Geno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdragon2 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ryan Fitzpatrick - very careful, not taking many chances, but shows excellent presence and is a natural leader Jim Kelly - more of a gunslinger, throws a pretty ball, and takes chances Discuss. Incorrect. Fitzpatrick took many chances and was widely known as a gunslinger. He was inaccurate. Point disproven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Incorrect. Fitzpatrick took many chances and was widely known as a gunslinger. He was inaccurate. That's not true... gunslinger? No. Inaccurate? Yes. Put another garbage Bills QB in there... my point is that Kelly does everything Geno Smith does, and unlike Sanchez, he hit those short routes and ran with purpose. This is turning into a nightmare... Edited October 8, 2013 by BmoreBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdragon2 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 That's not true... gunslinger? No. Inaccurate? Yes. Put another garbage Bills QB in there... my point is that Kelly does everything Geno Smith does, and unlike Sanchez, he hit those short routes and ran with purpose. This is turning into a nightmare... Please see my post earlier about the mindset of fans.... Fitzpatrick constantly took shots and made throws that most QBs wouldn't, but most of the time was too inaccurate to complete them...hence his tendency to turn the ball over... Geno looked good last night, what did you think of his performance against the titans? When the opposing defense wasnt missing say 5-6 starters? EJs knack for getting injured worries me, otherwise I still like him over Geno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Fontes Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Bo Diddley is a gunslinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yes. While EJ may be the "high character guy", Geno is a much more natural passer. More instinctive and accurate. While time will certainly tell the story, I think that in the end, Smith will prove that he should have been the guy. And the beat goes on... Yep, time will tell. I agree, his ball is more naturally thrown. EJ has a nice tight spiral, but the throwing action is somewhat artificial....its actually what they teach, though, at the QB camps....oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Please see my post earlier about the mindset of fans.... Fitzpatrick constantly took shots and made throws that most QBs wouldn't, but most of the time was too inaccurate to complete them...hence his tendency to turn the ball over... Geno looked good last night, what did you think of his performance against the titans? When the opposing defense wasnt missing say 5-6 starters? EJs knack for getting injured worries me, otherwise I still like him over Geno My whole point was that Jim Kelly took chances and was that gunslinger, and we haven't had the combination of that and talent (closest was Bledsoe, but he had ZERO pocket presence and was damaged) in years. After being fooled by numerous Bills QBs, I'm all out of "silver lining"... and don't give me this "real fans" crap because I've been a Pirates fan enduring 21 years of far, far worse. Eventually, the team has to PROVE that it was the will and ability to win. It is a damn shame our defense is being run into the ground because our offense looks like Jacksonville. Edited October 8, 2013 by BmoreBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Geno Smith looks pretty good. There's no denying that. I think almost everyone thought that while he had the most natural talent, the pressure of NYC would crush him. The thing that will make or break him as his career progresses is how he handles a defense that can pressure him in the pocket. If the Jets can give him a very good offensive line then they are set at QB for a long time. As for EJ Manuel, the Bills went with the QB who had waaaay more in the leadership and steadiness department than natural throwing ability. They felt that they can "fine tune" the rawness of his mechanics which in turn will make him a more accurate thrower. So far EJ has been exactly what we thought he'd be, a leader who can make plays that win you games and also a rookie QB that needs to work on the rawness of his mechanics which in time will hopefully improve his accuracy. Both players still have question marks which only time will answer. I'm still very happy the Bills took EJ over Geno. i think thats a pretty fair assessment. for geno, a major difference in his development will be rex on the hot seat. whether decisions are made for genos long term development, or short term gains and additionally whether a new regime would like him are all big variables. we often hear about genos lack of leadership but not things like meeting 1-1 with all the defensive players to take ownership over his mistakes last week. he could grow into the role, he might not. the afce will be interesting to watch the next few years. lots of talent, lots of question marks. Edited October 8, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdragon2 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) My whole point was that Jim Kelly took chances and was that gunslinger, and we haven't had the combination of that and talent (closest was Bledsoe, but he had ZERO pocket presence and was damaged) in years. After being fooled by numerous Bills QBs, I'm all out of "silver lining"... and don't give me this "real fans" crap because I've been a Pirates fan enduring 21 years of far, far worse. Eventually, the team has to PROVE that it was the will and ability to win. It is a damn shame our defense is being run into the ground because our offense looks like Jacksonville. Your point about Jacksonville pretty much sums up what I mean....the bills are averaging 22.4 points a game...while Jacksonville is averaging 10.2...there is a gigantic margin of difference.... Not only that but I believe only 6 points in 5 games have been defensive...out of 112 You need perspective. Edited October 8, 2013 by Jdragon2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Should they have taken Geno? NO !!! But we shouldn't have taken EJ as high as we did. Edited October 8, 2013 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) It's actually VERY impressive what Geno Smith is doing considering his only weapon on offense is Holmes and perhaps Hill who are both injured. EJ has a lot more talent around him in Spiller, Jackson, Johnson, Chandler. EJ hasn't looked very good in the passing game, especially on the deep ball and the throws to wide open receivers and tight ends. Edited October 8, 2013 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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