Bills D vs. Geno should be fun

[YoloinOhio]

It seemed that the Panthers only watched film of the 2012 Bills defense. They were completely surprised that the Bills would blitz. I put that on Rivera, who is a crappy Head Coach. Newton blows up his rookie year then they change the offense and he can't do squadoosh. Hint - Go back to the offense that was killing the NFL before Rivera was on board. And the Panthers lost in a way I thought only the Bills can lose. A PI call on a game icing INT. That is right out of Chan Gailey's 4th QTR playbook.

 

Anyhow I don't think Rexxy is as bad a coach as Rivera. I expect Geno to be very prepared for Rex RyanPettine's defense. I expect Keller I mean Soldier Grapefruitnuts to have a bananas game. We still can't cover TEs and Leonard is all over the ball but it doesn't look like he can bring anyone down any more.

 

I still think the Bills win but its gonna be close. If Mario gets 2+ sacks again the Bills win.

Talk about a downgrade with the Panthers -John Fox to Ron Rivera?

[Dorkington]

Count me in as one who thinks the Bills defense has improved... but

 

I think one thing to keep in mind in regards to the Panthers and Patriots and our defense, is that we played lesser versions of both offenses. The Patriots, obviously, were missing many weapons from years past. The Panthers have hamstrung Cam Newton and company with their "new" conservative offense.

 

Though, on the other side, we are missing Gilmore and Byrd.

 

Basically what I'm saying is... I'm not going to get too "up" on our defense against the Pats and Panthers, because both teams are shells of what they used to be. The Jets, though, aren't exactly offensive juggernauts. When do we next play a team that is considered offensively great?

[eball]

Count me in as one who thinks the Bills defense has improved... but

 

I think one thing to keep in mind in regards to the Panthers and Patriots and our defense, is that we played lesser versions of both offenses. The Patriots, obviously, were missing many weapons from years past. The Panthers have hamstrung Cam Newton and company with their "new" conservative offense.

 

Though, on the other side, we are missing Gilmore and Byrd.

 

Basically what I'm saying is... I'm not going to get too "up" on our defense against the Pats and Panthers, because both teams are shells of what they used to be. The Jets, though, aren't exactly offensive juggernauts. When do we next play a team that is considered offensively great?

 

Yours is an overly skeptical viewpoint, in my opinion. The Pats* had Amendola and Vereen against us -- not so in their game against NY. Aside from not having Stewart the Panthers were at full strength.

 

The Jets have the worst skill position players in the league. Their offense is ranked 25th in yards, tied for 28th in yards per play, and 29th in points.

 

The Bills' defense is tied for 5th in yards allowed per play; total yardage is skewed by TOP differential (but still a respectable 18th).

 

The statistics would appear to significantly favor the ability of Buffalo's D to completely stifle the Jets' O.

[Dorkington]

Yours is an overly skeptical viewpoint, in my opinion. The Pats* had Amendola and Vereen against us -- not so in their game against NY. Aside from not having Stewart the Panthers were at full strength.

 

The Jets have the worst skill position players in the league. Their offense is ranked 25th in yards, tied for 28th in yards per play, and 29th in points.

 

The Bills' defense is tied for 5th in yards allowed per play; total yardage is skewed by TOP differential (but still a respectable 18th).

 

The statistics would appear to significantly favor the ability of Buffalo's D to completely stifle the Jets' O.

 

I agree that we look good going against the Jets O. Not questioning that. I'm just keeping myself a bit reserved in response to the NE and CAR games, due to circumstances of each game. Whether that's over skeptical or not, is not for me to decide.

[mattsox]

The Bills D has played quite well against two elite qbs. Or, at the very least, one elite qb and one very good qb. I reckon we'll see some fireworks this Sunday.

 

The only thing that might save Geno is that he practices against the jets d, but I expect Pettine will have something new.

 

The jets aren't great, but it would still be a huge win for this young team.

 

I expect a great showing from the Bills D. I expect them to be extra fired up for this Game!

[RyanC883]

Bills on Offense:

- Jets have a good D allowing only 241 yds/game. Their pass and run D both appear to be good.

- They will take out the short to med routes and challenge EJ to go deep. Early part of the game will be critical - EJ has to take deep shots. If EJ wants to be respected for the deep ball, this would be a great game to start. This will ease the pressure and allow more runs and checkdowns

- Cromartie is good and Milliner looks slow out of the gate. Stevie should be able to get the better of Cromartie.

- IN additiion to deep ball, sideline routes should be ripe pickings also. This is a good gut check time for EJ with both these routes

- I think Hackett and EJ are picking Pettine's brain about how Ryan is likely to think on defense

 

Bills on D:

- Jets have given up 9 sacks and I don't expect that rate to change much. We should be able to get to Geno due to his reported happy feet. As with most raw QBs, hitting him early will pay dividends

- You can bet Pettine is fired up and will dial up exotic pressure packages

- Their run O seems non existent and almost RB by committee

 

All in all, we need to dominate in the first quarter and if EJ plays mistake-free football, we should coast in this game with a score that looks like 30-17

 

Don't forget about Robert Woods. I expect him and SJ to be open quite a bit against the Jets secondary.

[The Big Cat]

Bills on Offense:

- Jets have a good D allowing only 241 yds/game. Their pass and run D both appear to be good.

- They will take out the short to med routes and challenge EJ to go deep. Early part of the game will be critical - EJ has to take deep shots. If EJ wants to be respected for the deep ball, this would be a great game to start. This will ease the pressure and allow more runs and checkdowns

- Cromartie is good and Milliner looks slow out of the gate. Stevie should be able to get the better of Cromartie.

- IN additiion to deep ball, sideline routes should be ripe pickings also. This is a good gut check time for EJ with both these routes

- I think Hackett and EJ are picking Pettine's brain about how Ryan is likely to think on defense

 

Bills on D:

- Jets have given up 9 sacks and I don't expect that rate to change much. We should be able to get to Geno due to his reported happy feet. As with most raw QBs, hitting him early will pay dividends

- You can bet Pettine is fired up and will dial up exotic pressure packages

- Their run O seems non existent and almost RB by committee

 

All in all, we need to dominate in the first quarter and if EJ plays mistake-free football, we should coast in this game with a score that looks like 30-17

 

Again, two games in, after playing the anemic Bucs and the neutred Pats* (in a monsoon) their defensive stats mean precisely squat.

 

Count me in as one who thinks the Bills defense has improved... but

 

I think one thing to keep in mind in regards to the Panthers and Patriots and our defense, is that we played lesser versions of both offenses. The Patriots, obviously, were missing many weapons from years past. The Panthers have hamstrung Cam Newton and company with their "new" conservative offense.

 

Though, on the other side, we are missing Gilmore and Byrd.

 

Basically what I'm saying is... I'm not going to get too "up" on our defense against the Pats and Panthers, because both teams are shells of what they used to be. The Jets, though, aren't exactly offensive juggernauts. When do we next play a team that is considered offensively great?

 

Hamstrung? Conservative? Did you miss the seven or so bombs they unsuccessfully chucked down field? The reason we got to him was because their playcalls on offense were too aggressive.

 

Shells of what they used to be? Who cares? Did the Pats* have Amendola tearing it up against us? Yes. Do they still have Brady? Yes. Did they have both Vareen and Ridley to play off one another? Yes. Who cares what they used to be, they were still decent on offense when they came to Buffalo.

 

Same goes for Carolina: first overall pick Cam Newton, check. Steve Smith, check. Greg Olsen, check. Their backfield healthy, check. Ted Ginn, check.

 

EBall called you out for being pessimistic. Sometimes I think you make it a point to be negative, and in doing so fail to make any point, whatsoever, particularly one that's grounded in reality.

[Jauronimo]

I couldn't watch either, it was so bad.

I reveled in it. I couldn't have scripted a better Jets - Pats game. Both teams were incompetent. Brady melted down on the sidelines, while Geno melted under the pressure. Perfect.

 

Good point about the Jets D. They were helped all night long by the Pats dropsies. Edelman was the only guy who could hold on to the ball. Without Amendola and Vereen that offense was grounded. Belichek doesn't trust Ridley to hold on to ball.

 

The Jets offense put together a few ok drives, and they had drop problems of their own. Geno looked alternatively deer in the headlights or competent. He holds the ball forever and will give pass rushers ample time to get to him. I estimate that Bills will intercept Geno between 8 and 15 times on Sunday.

[Dorkington]

Again, two games in, after playing the anemic Bucs and the neutred Pats* (in a monsoon) their defensive stats mean precisely squat.

 

 

 

Hamstrung? Conservative? Did you miss the seven or so bombs they unsuccessfully chucked down field? The reason we got to him was because their playcalls on offense were too aggressive.

 

Shells of what they used to be? Who cares? Did the Pats* have Amendola tearing it up against us? Yes. Do they still have Brady? Yes. Did they have both Vareen and Ridley to play off one another? Yes. Who cares what they used to be, they were still decent on offense when they came to Buffalo.

 

Same goes for Carolina: first overall pick Cam Newton, check. Steve Smith, check. Greg Olsen, check. Their backfield healthy, check. Ted Ginn, check.

 

EBall called you out for being pessimistic. Sometimes I think you make it a point to be negative, and in doing so fail to make any point, whatsoever, particularly one that's grounded in reality.

 

Cam had a pretty bad game, but it's also obvious that the Panthers offense isn't as dynamic as it once was. Can't one give praise to the Defense while also acknowledging that we have played different versions of teams that were successful recently? Apparently that qualifies as overly pessimistic. My apologies for making note of these things. My apologies for wasting your time with my lack of points.

 

We are two weeks into the season, and I'm not willing to make too many hard statements on anything. The defense looks improved. It's certainly more aggressive and active. We have some better players, as well. And I'll leave out the "but..." from now on.

 

It's funny that when I try to be objective, I'm called out as pessimistic. If I praise the team, no one responds to me at all. But I guess it is to be expected at a fan forum.

 

I think we match up very favorably against the Jets.

 

My only real concern is that Geno will be more likely to run with the ball than Cam (and obviously Brady). The Panthers specifically are calling for Cam to be more of a pocket passer this season, no real option run plays, and they've discouraged him from scrambling too much. This was to the benefit of the Bills last game, who took advantage and put some great pressure on him.

 

The Jets, however, won't be encouraging Geno to stick it out in the pocket, I suspect. As long as we have someone spying on Geno outside of our rush, I suspect we'll be just fine.

Edited September 17, 2013 by Dorkington

[The Big Cat]

Cam had a pretty bad game, but it's also obvious that the Panthers offense isn't as dynamic as it once was. Can't one give praise to the Defense while also acknowledging that we have played different versions of teams that were successful recently? Apparently that qualifies as overly pessimistic. My apologies for making note of these things. My apologies for wasting your time with my lack of points.

 

We are two weeks into the season, and I'm not willing to make too many hard statements on anything. The defense looks improved. It's certainly more aggressive and active. We have some better players, as well. And I'll leave out the "but..." from now on.

 

It's funny that when I try to be objective, I'm called out as pessimistic. If I praise the team, no one responds to me at all. But I guess it is to be expected at a fan forum.

 

I think we match up very favorably against the Jets.

 

My only real concern is that Geno will be more likely to run with the ball than Cam (and obviously Brady). The Panthers specifically are calling for Cam to be more of a pocket passer this season, no real option run plays, and they've discouraged him from scrambling too much. This was to the benefit of the Bills last game, who took advantage and put some great pressure on him.

 

The Jets, however, won't be encouraging Geno to stick it out in the pocket, I suspect. As long as we have someone spying on Geno outside of our rush, I suspect we'll be just fine.

 

Did you ever stop and wonder that may be Cam had a bad game because the defense played well?

[Dorkington]

"We are two weeks into the season, and I'm not willing to make too many hard statements on anything. The defense looks improved. It's certainly more aggressive and active. We have some better players, as well. And I'll leave out the "but..." from now on."

 

"My only real concern is that Geno will be more likely to run with the ball than Cam (and obviously Brady). The Panthers specifically are calling for Cam to be more of a pocket passer this season, no real option run plays, and they've discouraged him from scrambling too much. This was to the benefit of the Bills last game, who took advantage and put some great pressure on him. "

 

Yes?

Edited September 17, 2013 by Dorkington

[YoloinOhio]

I think the real rookie vs. rookie matchup here is Kiko v. Geno. 2nd rounder v. 2nd rounder..... my $ is on Kiko.

 

I reveled in it. I couldn't have scripted a better Jets - Pats game. Both teams were incompetent. Brady melted down on the sidelines, while Geno melted under the pressure. Perfect.

 

Good point about the Jets D. They were helped all night long by the Pats dropsies. Edelman was the only guy who could hold on to the ball. Without Amendola and Vereen that offense was grounded. Belichek doesn't trust Ridley to hold on to ball.

 

The Jets offense put together a few ok drives, and they had drop problems of their own. Geno looked alternatively deer in the headlights or competent. He holds the ball forever and will give pass rushers ample time to get to him. I estimate that Bills will intercept Geno between 8 and 15 times on Sunday.

Pure entertainment

[Dorkington]

I think the real rookie vs. rookie matchup here is Kiko v. Geno. 2nd rounder v. 2nd rounder..... my $ is on Kiko.

 

 

Pure entertainment

 

Kiko has been spectacular this season. He's been fun to watch. Will be great to see how he grows, considering he's already starting off so well.

[YoloinOhio]

Kiko has been spectacular this season. He's been fun to watch. Will be great to see how he grows, considering he's already starting off so well.

I do know someone in the FO of another NFL team... I asked him about Kiko (this was back in May) and he said that they liked him but really didn't know how to use him, he was a weird player position-wise depending on the defensive scheme and that is why he didn't go higher. I think this was a pick Pettine wanted for his specific scheme and he is utilzing him beautifully to make him and the scheme successful.

[BillsBytheBay]

How about Doug Marrone vs Geno. Doug spent his college coaching career smacking around Geno.

[filthymcnasty08]

How about Doug Marrone vs Geno. Doug spent his college coaching career smacking around Geno.

 

+1 ....Seems like a decade ago, many of us probably forgot.

[DC Greg]

I do know someone in the FO of another NFL team... I asked him about Kiko (this was back in May) and he said that they liked him but really didn't know how to use him, he was a weird player position-wise depending on the defensive scheme and that is why he didn't go higher. I think this was a pick Pettine wanted for his specific scheme and he is utilzing him beautifully to make him and the scheme successful.

 

I guess he's not a Takeo Spikes sized Mike run stopper, but the guy is pretty darn good at stuffing the run (as a rookie), excellent in coverage, great motor, excellent sideline to sideline, can blitz, and seems like an overall great team player so far. Seems to me that if other front offices didn't think they could use a player like this in their scheme, they need to reevaluate their scheme or their front office.

 

There were the character concerns. Was it just a DUI? If that's what made teams pass on him that just seems dumb. So common not just in the NFL but everywhere. Who doesn't know a dozen great people who have them. People make mistakes, especially in college.

[Captain Hindsight]

I reveled in it. I couldn't have scripted a better Jets - Pats game. Both teams were incompetent. Brady melted down on the sidelines, while Geno melted under the pressure. Perfect.

 

Good point about the Jets D. They were helped all night long by the Pats dropsies. Edelman was the only guy who could hold on to the ball. Without Amendola and Vereen that offense was grounded. Belichek doesn't trust Ridley to hold on to ball.

 

The Jets offense put together a few ok drives, and they had drop problems of their own. Geno looked alternatively deer in the headlights or competent. He holds the ball forever and will give pass rushers ample time to get to him. I estimate that Bills will intercept Geno between 8 and 15 times on Sunday.

That's a little low don't you think?

[BigPappy]

Bills on Offense:

- Jets have a good D allowing only 241 yds/game. Their pass and run D both appear to be good.

- They will take out the short to med routes and challenge EJ to go deep. Early part of the game will be critical - EJ has to take deep shots. If EJ wants to be respected for the deep ball, this would be a great game to start. This will ease the pressure and allow more runs and checkdowns

- Cromartie is good and Milliner looks slow out of the gate. Stevie should be able to get the better of Cromartie.

- IN additiion to deep ball, sideline routes should be ripe pickings also. This is a good gut check time for EJ with both these routes

- I think Hackett and EJ are picking Pettine's brain about how Ryan is likely to think on defense

 

Bills on D:

- Jets have given up 9 sacks and I don't expect that rate to change much. We should be able to get to Geno due to his reported happy feet. As with most raw QBs, hitting him early will pay dividends

- You can bet Pettine is fired up and will dial up exotic pressure packages

- Their run O seems non existent and almost RB by committee

 

All in all, we need to dominate in the first quarter and if EJ plays mistake-free football, we should coast in this game with a score that looks like 30-17

 

I don't know if the above text in Red is necessarily true. We have some very fast receivers. It's not easy to take the short game away when your receivers are that fast. That said, they can start bringing in the safeties for tighter coverage, but then like you are saying Fan in Chicago, your risking the deep ball, but deep doesn't have to be 40 or more yards down field either when your safeties play up tight. Deep can be 15 yards down field. If the receivers get behind the corners with the safeties playing up tight there's no one down field to help the corners out. The offensive line has been playing well so it's not inconceivable that EJ would have time for the deeper throws. JMHO

 

BigPappy

[The Voice of Truth]

I'm so ticked off the Jets get 9 days to prepare and we get 6. I hate the schedulers. We get screwed every year. That's a huge advatage. That should help Geno and the offensive staff. Hopefully we still crush them.