BuffOrange Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Ya fans never want to believe it when their opponents shoot poorly (Cuse fans are as guilty as anyone) but 3pt% defense is basically random (2pt% D is not). http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_boeheim_exception UNC did not make a 41% 3pt team shoot 20% - if that's a skill they're a favorite to win the national title. They also seem to have an odd fascination with long 2pt jumpers. Playing some nice ball though for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Agree to disagree on that. Great defense caused that egg. Â UNC team should be the real deal next year with a better Kennedy Meeks and experience from Tokoto, Paige, Johnson. Â You Orangemen better take it down this year....it's gonna be all baby blue next year. Â Have to agree a little bit with Jr there Ryan. While UNC did play pretty solid D, Duke couldn't throw a basketball in the ocean standing on the beach. Hopefully their shooting woes continue tomorrow. Â Since Ryan brought up next year...how are people thinking about Ennis and Grant sticking around? Personally, I am becoming confident that Grant will stick around. I think he knows that without a jump shot, he really doesn't have a position in the NBA. Another year would truly be the best choice for him if his goal is to have a career in the NBA. Fortunately, he has his uncle and father to give him good advice. Â I have been thinking all along that Ennis is gone, but recent comments from JB about the subject makes me think he is leaning toward staying another year. JB even eluded to Ennis' father feeling that this might be the best decision for him (can't remember his exact wording). At present, I would guess Ennis is a 50-50. Sort of depends on how he finishes out the season. If he lights up the tourney he might just get an offer he can't refuse from draft scouts. Â Imagine if both Ennis and Grant stayed. Christmas at the 5, frosh phenom Chris McCullough at the 4, Grant at the 3, great depth at guard with Ennis and Cooney, frosh Caleb Joseph (who is a plug and play starter), Gbinije, and Patterson. Roberson hopefully getting some quality minutes off the bench, and the further development of DC2, BJ Johnson, and Buss Patterson. Â Could be scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I am convinced that Ennis stays. If he leaves now, the guy will never play in the NBA enough to develop the jumper and strength he needs. Â I still think grant is gone though. he doesn't need a jumper to play in the NBA. He will go to the line 10 times per game in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Grants gone....he's too strong around the bucket to not be a lotto pick IMO. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Â Â Good win for your boys Ryan. Goes to show you that in college basketball it's all about getting hot at the right time. I will say that based on what I have seen from UNC in the past few games, I'd rather Syracuse not face them for the remainder of the season. Â UNC has proven they could beat any team in the country as evidence by their wins against Kentucky, Louisville, Mich St & now Duke. The thing that concerns me about UNC is they don't shoot the 3 well & they don't shoot free throws well, usually a recipe for disaster come tournament time. They do a lot of other things well though I will say that & they did make their last 10 free throws last night I believe after a horrible start from the charity stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Good win for UNC. This should make the SU-Duke game even more interesting IMO. Both teams coming off emotional losses. Duke to their rival. SU coming off an utter embarrassment. Both teams should coming out firing on all cylinders. Â For the record, I wanted the undefeated season. That said, of all the close games they won, I'm glad that the BC game was the one they lost. Nothing wrong with losing to Pitt in Pitt, and NC State isn't terrible so that could happen to anyone. But BC is AWFUL! That embarrassed them and I think that could end up being a great fire lit underneath them. Remember the Wes Johnson team, embarrassed by Lemoyne, dominant the rest of the year until Butler in the elite 8. I'm thinking (hoping) we'll see the same thing with this team, except we win it all. What say you? Edited February 21, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Remember the Wes Johnson team, embarrassed by Lemoyne, dominant the rest of the year until Butler in the elite 8. I'm thinking (hoping) we'll see the same thing with this team, except we win it all. What say you? Â Probably the best team we have had in the last ten years. Would have won it all had Onuaku not gotten injured in the BET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Â Â Probably the best team we have had in the last ten years. Would have won it all had Onuaku not gotten injured in the BET. Â I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Â Â Probably the best team we have had in the last ten years. Would have won it all had Onuaku not gotten injured in the BET. Â Uggh!! Thinking about that tourney loss vs Blake Griffin and the Sooners still makes my blood boil. Â Grants gone....he's too strong around the bucket to not be a lotto pick IMO. Â My brain agrees with you, but my heart tells me Grant has a father and an uncle who had lengthy NBA careers. I think they will advise him to stay. It would be a good decision for him. As someone stated earlier, no, he doesn't need a solid jump shot to be coveted by the NBA. If he wants to be a solid NBA small forward, however, he will need to develop one. I think he stays. Seems like a really smart kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 LGO Orange!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Worked some overtime today. Now I'm ready to mix up some gin and tonics and enjoy the hell out of this game. Â Go Cuse! Edited February 22, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Big opportunity to make a statement here. They could rebound from the loss in a big way in a hostile environment and possibly not even drop farther than #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Wow guess he really is a plumlee brother. Nice putback slam. Â Grant shooting and scoring floater right over plumlee is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Wow guess he really is a plumlee brother. Nice putback slam. Â Grant shooting and scoring floater right over plumlee is impressive. Duke needs a real big man one day. Not since Sheldon Williams have they had anything worthwhile but the dude would catch a foul just for sneezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Plumlee is trying to be that guy. Sheldon Williams used to block everything. The landlord! Â Tie game. Good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Plumlee is trying to be that guy. Sheldon Williams used to block everything. The landlord! Â Tie game. Good game. Cuse is not looking like they're going to win this game.Duke is playing smarter and if this game is going to wind down like the last one that is going to matter. Duke had the foul troubles last time, Cuse this time. I don't see Cuse winning this one, at this point. Â If they fall and drop 2 in a week in the way it looks like they are going to do this - they'll fall 8 or 9 spots easily. Duke may not fall at all. UNC may crack the top 25 but they do not just deserve it, yet. They'd be better off riding from the outside another week, be the underdogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Cuse is not looking like they're going to win this game. Duke is playing smarter and if this game is going to wind down like the last one that is going to matter. Duke had the foul troubles last time, Cuse this time. I don't see Cuse winning this one, at this point. Â If they fall and drop 2 in a week in the way it looks like they are going to do this - they'll fall 8 or 9 spots easily. Duke may not fall at all. UNC may crack the top 25 but they do not just deserve it, yet. They'd be better off riding from the outside another week, be the underdogs. You are crazy if you think cuse will drop 8 or 9 spots IF they lose... Still plenty of time left in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) You are crazy if you think cuse will drop 8 or 9 spots IF they lose... Still plenty of time left in this one. Still crazy to think they'll lose? That technical... c'mon.  And the entire world is going to be hating on Cuse now. Especially two technicals and Boheim getting ejected! WTF!?!!?!!? COME ON Edited February 23, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Still crazy to think they'll lose? Â That technical... c'mon. Â And the entire world is going to be hating on Cuse now. Especially two technicals and Boheim getting ejected! WTF!?!!?!!? COME ON Well making a comment with 7 minutes to go is much different than with 10 seconds... That said I will definitely make a wager with you that cuse doesn't drop 8 or 9 spots... What would you like to bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Boeheim wasn't aware of the duke gets all the calls rules that the ACC refs love so much. Â Great game from Grant, tough break on the duke flop/ref combo. Â Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 8 or 9 spot drop is laughable. Florida will take #1 and they have 2 losses. Syracuse should be 3 but will probably drop to 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I don't buy all the talk of ennis and grant being gone, they need a lot of work. Â If I'm an nba team I want a player that can actually score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdevo Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Classic duke charge......and grant does not get it earlier in the game..... Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well making a comment with 7 minutes to go is much different than with 10 seconds... That said I will definitely make a wager with you that cuse doesn't drop 8 or 9 spots... What would you like to bet? I don't think I was crazy to say it with 7 minutes to go. I'm an idiot savant with stuff like that. If I am watching a basketball game just right - meaning not 100% and know a little about the team then I can usually get a good feel for it. I have never played basketball competitively but I think it is something to do with recognizing the characteristics and body language and other stuff. Boeheim wasn't aware of the duke gets all the calls rules that the ACC refs love so much.  Great game from Grant, tough break on the duke flop/ref combo. Yep, coming from a Carolina fan that's about classic. Haters gun hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I don't think I was crazy to say it with 7 minutes to go. I'm an idiot savant with stuff like that. If I am watching a basketball game just right - meaning not 100% and know a little about the team then I can usually get a good feel for it. I have never played basketball competitively but I think it is something to do with recognizing the characteristics and body language and other stuff. Â Yep, coming from a Carolina fan that's about classic. Â Haters gun hate. So no wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 So no wager? Learned in 4th grade not to put money on anything, I'll lose it. It took me 3 more lessons over the next three years and at that age, $20 is a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Learned in 4th grade not to put money on anything, I'll lose it. It took me 3 more lessons over the next three years and at that age, $20 is a lot of money. Damn I was hoping to get some nice steaks or some jerky lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Good game, not too upset. Â Classic duke charge......and grant does not get it earlier in the game..... Â I think you mean Gbinijie who took what looked like a clearer charge on Parker than Hood did on Fair (and I'm pretty sure that's why JB exploded). But also Grant got mugged a lot & doesn't get any calls on the road. College basketball ladies & gentlemen! Where 40-65yr old refs are intimidated by 18yr old dorks. It's why Buffalo & MSG is so important but we have some work to do now to get there (MSG anyway). Edited February 23, 2014 by BuffOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 What kills me is that refs decided the game. How about a no call there? Or when boeheim went nuts, a lot of seasoned refs would have avoided him and not be forced into calling a T. Â Refs struggled all game; inconsistent calls; screwed up every block charge call. Just poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 What kills me is that refs decided the game. How about a no call there? Or when boeheim went nuts, a lot of seasoned refs would have avoided him and not be forced into calling a T. Â Refs struggled all game; inconsistent calls; screwed up every block charge call. Just poor. Â Right. Your typical play in that situation is frequently an offensive player looking for contact & hoping to go to the line vs a defender who intends to flop for a call rather than make a play - it seems both sides are usually wrong and a debate about semantics ensues about slow-motion guarding position. But here CJ is legit trying to score rather than get a call and did make a tremendous shot in spite of the contact. That's what makes it so bad, imo. I don't think they really had much of a choice but to T him up to be honest & I think JB had every intention of getting tossed. I would've done the same thing during the Michigan screwjob last year but then I'm a hothead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Damn I was hoping to get some nice steaks or some jerky lol $20/lbs for jerky. I gave some to the greeter girl at the gym and she said it was the best she ever had. yes. I gave the girl my jerky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Â Â Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Great game, really. Unfortunate ending, but I really don't blame JB for losing his cool there. I'm not one to complain about officiating, so we'll just leave it at that. Â Killing this team right now is the lack of an outside shooting threat. I know Cooney is getting shut off, but really, he can't shake free for a couple decent attempts? Opposing teams clogging the lanes making it very difficult for Ennis, Fair and Grant to create off the dribble. Â I think they need to start forcing more of a perimeter game to create more opportunities inside. Kudos to Duke on the win. Syracuse will not drop out of the top 5. Edited February 23, 2014 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I'm the same way about the officiating...the first thing i did was go on facebook to a duke fan friend of mine and congratulated his team on a huge win(i talk trash, but i make sure I am the first one to congratulate the opposing fans), he of course immediately went to the 'it was the right call, and after all hood got mugged in the first game'.  that reaction by boehiem was perfect, 38 years in the same job, 52 years with the same 'company' and he still has that kind of passion???? that's insane cool. and 38 years in and that's his first ever ejection. i've always been a boehiem fan, now i am even moreso  Great game, really. Unfortunate ending, but I really don't blame JB for losing his cool there. I'm not one to complain about officiating, so we'll just leave it at that.  Killing this team right now is the lack of an outside shooting threat. I know Cooney is getting shut off, but really, he can't shake free for a couple decent attempts? Opposing teams clogging the lanes making it very difficult for Ennis, Fair and Grant to create off the dribble.  I think they need to start forcing more of a perimeter game to create more opportunities inside. Kudos to Duke on the win. Syracuse will not drop out of the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014   that reaction by boehiem was perfect, 38 years in the same job, 52 years with the same 'company' and he still has that kind of passion???? that's insane cool. and 38 years in and that's his first ever ejection. i've always been a boehiem fan, now i am even moreso  Oh, I agree completely. There has been tons of talk today about how the players rallied around JB and had "fire in their eyes" after he was ejected (one Cuse fan sitting near the SU bench described it like that). I love the energy, and I hope the team projects that intensity moving forward.  I haven't seen it yet, but read that there is a photo which shows that Fair was clearly standing out of bounds before that lame charge call. Either way...great game and I thought the team handled their first game in Cameron beautifully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 just look at the picture...cj never really even made contact with hood...., only way there would have been contact is if hood leaned to his right   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 just look at the picture...cj never really even made contact with hood...., only way there would have been contact is if hood leaned to his right   The ball is still in his hand, and one picture cannot do a call like that justice. The call, good or bad, did not end the game. Boheim did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) i wouldn't have wanted boehiem to act any differently...i kept hitting stop and go on this vine and cj went around the defender, great job of selling it by hood....but charge? i don't think so...hell, i'm not sure it was even a block, or if there was ANY contact  https://vine.co/v/MmeedrIpMQ9 Edited February 23, 2014 by The Poojer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Gotta call it both ways. Parker trucked Gbineje but got the superstar call that they didn't give cj fair. Â Coulda had a second classic finish between these 2. Edited February 23, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 i wouldn't have wanted boehiem to act any differently...i kept hitting stop and go on this vine and cj went around the defender, great job of selling it by hood....but charge? i don't think so...hell, i'm not sure it was even a block, or if there was ANY contact  https://vine.co/v/MmeedrIpMQ9 It is just the way the game goes. It's crap. But, it's one game and good teams don't keep it that close. In this specific set of teams we have two very good teams that have no reason or excuse to not be playing late in the tournament. Duke can shoot the three and survive many games but Cuse is a better overall team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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