Max997 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Before it was a WR and now it is a DE is bad mouthing Kolb: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217681/article/calais-campbell-arizona-cardinals-now-have-a-real-qb Bills players are not bad mouthing Frtiz so is that a sign of how bad Kolb was perceived in Arizona or Fritz just got more respect from Bills players? Or maybe Bills players have a little more class and professionalism then cardinals players? Didn't Kolb help get the Cards off to a good start last year even if his numbers were not good? That may have been a blanket statement about the overall QB play rather then just Kolb And does it really matter what another team says about the Bills eventual backup QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 The terrible O line excuse is tired and a cop out. A good and decisive QB does well behind any line. I recall the year Brady was hurt in game one and his replacement ended up being sacked 40+ times that year, while that same O line had given up the least amount of sacks the year before,when Brady was the QB. I hope for the best with Kolb, but his history of taking lots of sacks is not encouraging - very Rob Johnsonish if you ask me. Well. Where to start here? A QB who is fast at making reads and getting the ball out can be more effective behind a poor line. Play-calling that creates confusion and sets up quick plays can also help. That part is true. Can "a good and decisive QB do well behind any line"? Not exactly. As the Rams line deteriorated from "the greatest show on turf" while Martz continued to play his vertical WC variant, Kurt Warner took more and more of a beating until he became an ineffective QB. Several years of R&R later, he got another chance, and hey presto one team's ineffective discard became another team's Ticket to the Dance. And Warner's on the record stating that he retired in AZ because he thought he was going to get killed or badly hurt playing behind that line. And while he's not a runner, with his arena league background Warner always had fast reads and a fast release when the plays allowed and the ability to move around in the pocket to foil pressure. On any given Sunday, I have seen Brady, Brees, and Rodgers all look pathetically ineffective whilst playing "run for your Life" behind a line that was, on that particular Sunday, porous. So is it the QB or is it the line? Yes. It's both. A fast-thinking QB with great pocket instincts can compensate for a less than stellar line. But no QB can overcome a totally terrible line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Or maybe Bills players have a little more class and professionalism then cardinals players? Didn't Kolb help get the Cards off to a good start last year even if his numbers were not good? That may have been a blanket statement about the overall QB play rather then just Kolb And does it really matter what another team says about the Bills eventual backup QB? It just seems like deflecting responsibility, which is not a good sign in AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Do we really think that he lost yards via sack to save completion percentage stats? And was unaware his biggest red flag was his sacks taken, not an extra 4 incompletions? You know, this is a fair question and I remember Johnson doing this at least 4 times as a Bill. So the question becomes: Did he know or did he not know that running out of bounds for a loss was worse than throwing the ball out of bounds for an incompletion? There's no satisfactory answer, thus making the question somewhat irrelevant. Wouldn't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) You know, this is a fair question and I remember Johnson doing this at least 4 times as a Bill. So the question becomes: Did he know or did he not know that running out of bounds for a loss was worse than throwing the ball out of bounds for an incompletion? There's no satisfactory answer, thus making the question somewhat irrelevant. Wouldn't you agree? Agreed. I think it was more being situationally unaware than being on a higher level and selfish, but whatever the cause, no good Edited July 14, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Agreed. I think it was more being situationally unaware than being on a higher level and selfish, but whatever the cause, no good It really was unbelievable. If one single (repeated) act can define a person's (in)competency for their job, that would be the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 No wine before its time. are you from Rochester area ? i laughed out loud. Well said sir ! Well. Where to start here? A QB who is fast at making reads and getting the ball out can be more effective behind a poor line. Play-calling that creates confusion and sets up quick plays can also help. That part is true. Can "a good and decisive QB do well behind any line"? Not exactly. As the Rams line deteriorated from "the greatest show on turf" while Martz continued to play his vertical WC variant, Kurt Warner took more and more of a beating until he became an ineffective QB. Several years of R&R later, he got another chance, and hey presto one team's ineffective discard became another team's Ticket to the Dance. And Warner's on the record stating that he retired in AZ because he thought he was going to get killed or badly hurt playing behind that line. And while he's not a runner, with his arena league background Warner always had fast reads and a fast release when the plays allowed and the ability to move around in the pocket to foil pressure. On any given Sunday, I have seen Brady, Brees, and Rodgers all look pathetically ineffective whilst playing "run for your Life" behind a line that was, on that particular Sunday, porous. So is it the QB or is it the line? Yes. It's both. A fast-thinking QB with great pocket instincts can compensate for a less than stellar line. But no QB can overcome a totally terrible line. i consider your points to be true. not everyone feels that way . If you noticed Gaileys play calling, and you did : ) it was work around for Fitz. i expect if Kolb starts , there will be less the coaches have to consider in him. I expect Kolb to start for some reason. and i think he will have good shot to do well. lets hope we have a REAL dilemna at QB because they both are damned decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Before it was a WR and now it is a DE is bad mouthing Kolb: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217681/article/calais-campbell-arizona-cardinals-now-have-a-real-qb Bills players are not bad mouthing Frtiz so is that a sign of how bad Kolb was perceived in Arizona or Fritz just got more respect from Bills players? Kolb didn't play after week 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Did Ryan Lindley throw for 75 yards completing 15 passes last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 In case you didn't know, Fitz went to Harvard or Yale or something....that might be why the Bills don't badmouth him. I think it was Yale as I recall. goes to show how much YOU know...it was Dartmouth dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 In case you didn't know, Fitz went to Harvard or Yale or something....that might be why the Bills don't badmouth him. I think it was Yale as I recall. Did they salute too? BTW, it was Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Did they salute too? BTW, it was Harvard. Pretty sure it was Dartmouth or possibly Dickinson. One of those old Eastern colleges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Pretty sure it was Dartmouth or possibly Dickinson. One of those old Eastern colleges. u meen KOWLIJ? didn't he do well on the rorschach test to get in the nfl too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 u meen KOWLIJ? didn't he do well on the rorschach test to get in the nfl too? That or the horshack test, one of those. Perhaps Kollege Studnet could shed some light on this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Did they salute too? BTW, it was Harvard. I always heard it was Yale because he excelled in their Turkey Wing Offense (TWO)....pretty sure it was Yale despite what these other knuckleheads are saying (Dartmouth? Dickinson??....LOL...really guys...do some research) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 We'll learn soon enough what Kolb has to offer. Players beating him up is classless and the coaches of Arizona should let them know that. Joe Montana would have gotten hurt behind that line in Arizona in all liklyhood. If they are gonna beat on anyone thats who they should be beating on. He brings Veteran experience to the position here in Buffalo. Frankly, I think the starting job is his to lose. I just want to see improvement this year...across the board. Thats all I ask at this juncture. jb Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Most likely Campbell was talking about Skelton and Lindley. But he'll be in for a rude awakening seeing the statue Palmer behind that OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Most likely Campbell was talking about Skelton and Lindley. But he'll be in for a rude awakening seeing the statue Palmer behind that OL. Yea, why would it be directed the guy they traded a defensive probowler for and gave a big contract to when they complain about not having a qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 This whole thread is a non-issue. The guy was likely commenting on none of their QBs staying healthy or lasting more than a couple games. I have serious doubts about Kolb, but man, some of you people really try to stretch things to make it your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Well. Where to start here? A QB who is fast at making reads and getting the ball out can be more effective behind a poor line. Play-calling that creates confusion and sets up quick plays can also help. That part is true. Can "a good and decisive QB do well behind any line"? Not exactly. As the Rams line deteriorated from "the greatest show on turf" while Martz continued to play his vertical WC variant, Kurt Warner took more and more of a beating until he became an ineffective QB. Several years of R&R later, he got another chance, and hey presto one team's ineffective discard became another team's Ticket to the Dance. And Warner's on the record stating that he retired in AZ because he thought he was going to get killed or badly hurt playing behind that line. And while he's not a runner, with his arena league background Warner always had fast reads and a fast release when the plays allowed and the ability to move around in the pocket to foil pressure. On any given Sunday, I have seen Brady, Brees, and Rodgers all look pathetically ineffective whilst playing "run for your Life" behind a line that was, on that particular Sunday, porous. So is it the QB or is it the line? Yes. It's both. A fast-thinking QB with great pocket instincts can compensate for a less than stellar line. But no QB can overcome a totally terrible line. +1 Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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