offyourocker Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 It is only ok if the Feds do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 1) The government gave the NFL special permission to operate as a monopoly. I would think protecting the fans from price gouging due to that decision is not too much to ask. Granted it's not like a NFL jersey is a basic necessity of life, but if the gov't allows the monopoly they have a responsibility to make sure it isn't abused in my opinion. 2) Good question and I wanted to make sure, so using DHGate as one small example I went to the site and searched for the jerseys of a couple well known NFL players and came up with no hits. I then searched for a couple well known baseball players jerseys and hockey players jerseys and found some. If all companies are equal in the eyes of the government, why don't they protect MLB and the NHL as much as the NFL? Not exactly. There and have been several professional football leagues that compete directly or indirectly with the NFL. The NFL doesn't have a "monopoly" on professional sports. Also, the free market determines the price of NFL tickets (as is true for almost any product sold in this country), so there is no "price gouging" involved and therefore no need to invoke government oversight. What you're suggesting makes no sense. The NFL is a copywrited entity, as are the NHL and MLB. If DHGate is ripping off the NHL and MLB, it's up to those organizations to file a complaint or charge. The government has no favorites in pro sports. Also remeber, teams are free to make deals on their own with any vendors regarding merchandise. This is not true in the NFL--there is only one official seller of merch. I don't see how or why these guys get a break. Wiretapping is espionage, and in this particular case, corporate espionage. This is a riot. You need to look up a definition of corporate espionage. Did the pranksters do us a favor? From Tim Graham/Buffalo News yesterday: http://blogs.buffalo...es.html?ref=bmh If this is true, then the release of the recording poisoned the relationship enough to make it impossible to rework Fitz's contract and bring him back at a more appropriate salary. I liked Fitz, but we know he wasn't taking us anywhere special and am glad we are moving on. Better that it was a clean break and not dragged out. kj I think you are absolutely correct. Notice how Buddy is complaining that he doesn't know what to do with Fitz on the call. Very soon after, the Fitz problem is solved. This taped call was a boon to the Bills becasue Russ realized WTF was going on in the mind of his GM and then stepped in to release Fitz. all jokes aside, i think some people are pulling the "this is silly, footballs just a game" card, when in reality it may have had effects on a billion dollar company negotiating with a 10 million a year employee. thats not small potatoes. See above. It allowed the President of the team to step in and quickly solve the "problem" of the 10 million a year employee. No harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 The NFL is a copywrited entity, as are the NHL and MLB. Come on now....It's copyrighted. I expect a man of your intellect to know the difference between copyright and copywrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Clogging up the courts and wasting taxpayer money over a prank call. Ridiculous. However good chance these guys broke the law. Way beyond a prank call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Just my $.02 on the radio prank call deal. My buddy is a DJ in Austin and he said if you actually listen to the DJ when the other party answers they will always say "you're on the radio right now" which is what makes the recording legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Just my $.02 on the radio prank call deal. My buddy is a DJ in Austin and he said if you actually listen to the DJ when the other party answers they will always say "you're on the radio right now" which is what makes the recording legal. Either that of they get permission afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Come on now....It's copyrighted. I expect a man of your intellect to know the difference between copyright and copywrite. oops. Public schools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 these 2 douches get prison time and the present douches in govt will get a slap on the wrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopple Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Joshua Barber and Nicholas Kaiser who allegedly recorded a private conversation between Buddy Nix and Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominik are now facing federal charges that could see them imprisoned for five years. All for a non-violent crime that hurt no one. While they may have broken the law and deserve some kind of punishment, do they really deserve to go thru life with a felony conviction on their record? All for a harmless prank, where they had no criminal intent? Where is the excuse making in the media for these guys? As there is in the media every time a professional athlete gets into trouble. We always here how they are just young guys who need to mature and grow up. Shouldn’t the same standard apply to Barber and Kaiser? After all, they’re only 20 years old. As an example, a couple weeks ago, John Murphy, after interviewing Da’Rick Rogers on his nightly show, made it clear how much he believed in giving people a second chance. But last night he wasn’t talking about second chances when reporting on Barber and Kaiser’s indictment. I got the impression he wanted them severely punished for what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 If they are not going to be punished legally then they should be punished in some other way like needing to spend time cleaning up garbage every weekend for a year with Miami Jerseys with names "Idiot" #1 and "Idiot" #2. This will ensure some "dumb young guys" do not try same stunt again for 15 minutes of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Joshua Barber and Nicholas Kaiser who allegedly recorded a private conversation between Buddy Nix and Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominik are now facing federal charges that could see them imprisoned for five years. All for a non-violent crime that hurt no one. While they may have broken the law and deserve some kind of punishment, do they really deserve to go thru life with a felony conviction on their record? All for a harmless prank, where they had no criminal intent? Where is the excuse making in the media for these guys? As there is in the media every time a professional athlete gets into trouble. We always here how they are just young guys who need to mature and grow up. Shouldn’t the same standard apply to Barber and Kaiser? After all, they’re only 20 years old. As an example, a couple weeks ago, John Murphy, after interviewing Da’Rick Rogers on his nightly show, made it clear how much he believed in giving people a second chance. But last night he wasn’t talking about second chances when reporting on Barber and Kaiser’s indictment. I got the impression he wanted them severely punished for what they did. Punishment and second chances aren't mutually exclusive. They can pay for their mistakes and still be members of society afterwards. Just like da'rick was kicked off his team and then went undrafted as a consequence but now has a chance to make good. Or should these guys just get a free pass cause they are 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Joshua Barber and Nicholas Kaiser who allegedly recorded a private conversation between Buddy Nix and Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominik are now facing federal charges that could see them imprisoned for five years. All for a non-violent crime that hurt no one. While they may have broken the law and deserve some kind of punishment, do they really deserve to go thru life with a felony conviction on their record? All for a harmless prank, where they had no criminal intent? Where is the excuse making in the media for these guys? As there is in the media every time a professional athlete gets into trouble. We always here how they are just young guys who need to mature and grow up. Shouldn’t the same standard apply to Barber and Kaiser? After all, they’re only 20 years old. As an example, a couple weeks ago, John Murphy, after interviewing Da’Rick Rogers on his nightly show, made it clear how much he believed in giving people a second chance. But last night he wasn’t talking about second chances when reporting on Barber and Kaiser’s indictment. I got the impression he wanted them severely punished for what they did. It wasn't harmless though, if it's true that the recording influenced Fitzpatrick to reject a restructured contract. That seems likely because he left Buffalo where he'd compete to start, for Tennessee where he is the backup. Seems like we have $7M dead money on our cap next year because of this. I know he wasn't taking us anywhere but he's not much better or much worse than Kevin Kolb, except we had to burn cap to switch to Kolb. Edited May 31, 2013 by J-Gun Boone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 It wasn't harmless though, if it's true that the recording influenced Fitzpatrick to reject a restructured contract. That seems likely because he left Buffalo where he'd compete to start, for Tennessee where he is the backup. Seems like we have $7M dead money on our cap next year because of this. I know he wasn't taking us anywhere but he's not much better or much worse than Kevin Kolb, except we had to burn cap to switch to Kolb. So arguably, there are damages related to the phone call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 The take home message is: don't mess with the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Kick Flutie Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Happens all the time calling up two Chinese restaurants and flipping the phones, only reason they care is because it's the NFL. Kong Fu Dragon's Chopstick Palace calls up the FBI about the same thing and they would get laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 The Feds do not lose? Really. Go ask Roger Clemens and Barry bonds. The Feds are a joke John Edwards too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 So arguably, there are damages related to the phone call. If something like that even applies here would be very hard to prove. Bud man on the call stated that something had to change or Fitz was gone. Nothing changed fits is gone. Nothing new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 It wasn't harmless though, if it's true that the recording influenced Fitzpatrick to reject a restructured contract. That seems likely because he left Buffalo where he'd compete to start, for Tennessee where he is the backup. Seems like we have $7M dead money on our cap next year because of this. I know he wasn't taking us anywhere but he's not much better or much worse than Kevin Kolb, except we had to burn cap to switch to Kolb. So arguably, there are damages related to the phone call. If something like that even applies here would be very hard to prove. Bud man on the call stated that something had to change or Fitz was gone. Nothing changed fits is gone. Nothing new here. Notice I italicized the word arguably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWVaBeach Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Good lock em up & throw away the key! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 It wasn't harmless though, if it's true that the recording influenced Fitzpatrick to reject a restructured contract. That seems likely because he left Buffalo where he'd compete to start, for Tennessee where he is the backup. Seems like we have $7M dead money on our cap next year because of this. I know he wasn't taking us anywhere but he's not much better or much worse than Kevin Kolb, except we had to burn cap to switch to Kolb. There is no way Marrone was going to keep Fitz anyway. That phone call spurred Russ to tell Buddy to cut Fitz loose. The dead cap money is on Buddy. The call was serendipity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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