WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I think we should be more worried about the Chiefs taking him. I don't think there's a chance in hell that he falls past the Chiefs, Raiders AND Cardinals (who have QB problems worse than ours). The Eagles MAY want to pick up a new QB as well. The only team which (as far as I know) isn't in desperate need are the Lions, who pick at 5 and anyone below us will have a lot better pick leverage. Remember the high cost of getting RGIII? If Smith falls to 8, great. If not, I think Wilson is a great choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Geno is a pocket passer...........the guy does not run unless he has to. Not sure where these words "unique, terrell pryor, kaepernick" belong in regards to Geno. Some just don't know and are making bad comparisons IMO. Geno's closer to a Bradford/Romo type than Kaep or Pryor FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 They can have him. He went from being the Heisman front runner to not even being invited to the ceremony. The guy has a great arm but crumpled under better competition and showed the predictability of the offense (Holgersens fault). He is not nearly the athlete RG3 is. Look at all of his highlights, there is no check down or progressions, just snap and throw. He wont be able to hit his #1 WR in the NFL and he doesnt have the chops to tuck and run. Hes a nice player but agree not a #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Truth Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 I already posted this but please watch the first play of this clip before commenting again on Geno's mobility. It is true that he has pocket passer skills, but he has run potential that has been underutilized. If anybody thinks Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo, Sam Bradford, Matt Cassel or any other traditional pocket passer can make this run, then they are kidding themselves. The first play of the youtube video below shows he has the mobility to really hurt teams. Do not comment on his mobility until you watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 They can have him. He went from being the Heisman front runner to not even being invited to the ceremony. The guy has a great arm but crumpled under better competition and showed the predictability of the offense (Holgersens fault). He is not nearly the athlete RG3 is. Look at all of his highlights, there is no check down or progressions, just snap and throw. He wont be able to hit his #1 WR in the NFL and he doesnt have the chops to tuck and run. Hes a nice player but agree not a #1 overall pick. So you make 3 knocks on the guy. The first one being incorrect. The second you admit isnt his fault. And the third has already been proven false in this very thread, embarrassingly so. That's some strong offseason posting, right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 So you make 3 knocks on the guy. The first one being incorrect. The second you admit isnt his fault. And the third has already been proven false in this very thread, embarrassingly so. That's some strong offseason posting, right there. Please explain how the first part was incorrect. Secondly after he and the offense became predictable he did nothing to transcend his play, the guy was an after thought after going 5-0. Way to check a highlight reel to get the true feel of a player, typical wall moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickdaniels Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm not sold on Geno at all. He played against weak competition and as someone else already stated, was owned by Marrone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Please explain how the first part was incorrect. He had two bad games, against Texas Tech and Kansas St. But also played well against Baylor, Texas, and Oklahoma. Those were unfortunately the toughest teams WVU faced this year. He did not "crumble under better competition". As a matter of fact, in the games were it was truly QB vs QB in a shoot-out, such as Baylor, he won the shoot-out going 45/51 (88%) for 656 yards and 8 TDs. That is with his defense putting all the pressure on him to keep the scoring going so they could win 70-63. Secondly after he and the offense became predictable he did nothing to transcend his play, the guy was an after thought after going 5-0. Way to check a highlight reel to get the true feel of a player, typical wall moron. Highlight reel? I watched every one of WVU's games (that was televised) this year, and have watched him play his previous 2 years. He regularly works through his progressions and was heralded all year as being a student of the game. If you are referring to the video posted in this thread, it's not a highlight reel. Unless you want to tell me he has a 14+ minute highlight reel. In which case, I'll again argue that he's worth our pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He had two bad games, against Texas Tech and Kansas St. But also played well against Baylor, Texas, and Oklahoma. Those were unfortunately the toughest teams WVU faced this year. He did not "crumble under better competition". As a matter of fact, in the games were it was truly QB vs QB in a shoot-out, such as Baylor, he won the shoot-out going 45/51 (88%) for 656 yards and 8 TDs. That is with his defense putting all the pressure on him to keep the scoring going so they could win 70-63. Highlight reel? I watched every one of WVU's games (that was televised) this year, and have watched him play his previous 2 years. He regularly works through his progressions and was heralded all year as being a student of the game. If you are referring to the video posted in this thread, it's not a highlight reel. Unless you want to tell me he has a 14+ minute highlight reel. In which case, I'll again argue that he's worth our pick. He had almost 400 attempts the only guy with more was the QB from Fresno, his numbers better be impressive for the amount of times he threw it. And when he lost those two games he was all but shut down. I thought we were discussing the #1 overall pick not who is right for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) I will admit this is a bit of a concern. You need a guy who lives and dies with winning. In interviews I have seen with him, he seems to be that guy who has fire and determination; who works hard and leads vocally and by example. This story surprises me. I hope this one anecdote is not indicative of his true competitive spirit. I don't think it is. This is why I posted it. I think watching the kid he has tons of tools that will help him in the NFL. I have also read about him being intelligent and a student of the game. I just clearly remember saying to my sister - "look at the qb he couldn't care less" and that scares the bejeesus out of me. I hope it was just immaturity and that this one anecdote doesn't explain him but as I said it's tough to shake. All of this said, if the Bills don't draft him - I don't give a hill of beans whether he cares or not lol. He had almost 400 attempts the only guy with more was the QB from Fresno, his numbers better be impressive for the amount of times he threw it. And when he lost those two games he was all but shut down. I thought we were discussing the #1 overall pick not who is right for the Bills. 518 attempts (to be exact) and how many ints? He put up stats no doubt. Tds, completions, etc... but the lack of ints should be very telling to you that he makes good decisions with the ball and has accuracy add in his ypa of 8.1 and it's very telling that he wasn't just throwing screens and dump offs. I'll save you the time - 6. 6 ints which at 518 attempts would put him among the NFL leaders (actually above every NFL qb in the league this year 1:86.3 attempts - NFL Leader Aaron Rodgers 1:69) Edited February 13, 2013 by section122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He had two bad games, against Texas Tech and Kansas St. Didn't look too hot vs Syracuse. To me it appeared he wasn't going through progressions in that Pinstrip Bowl. He was just chucking to that speedy dude, #1 I think, who seemed open all the time. Seen him a handful of times over the past couple of years and didn't come away saying wow, look at that QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 ....To me it appeared he wasn't going through progressions in that Pinstrip Bowl. He was just chucking to that speedy dude, #1 I think, who seemed open all the time..... If Speedy Dude #1 was first in his progressions......and he was open all the time.....there would have been no need to go through any other progressions. Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Didn't look too hot vs Syracuse. To me it appeared he wasn't going through progressions in that Pinstrip Bowl. He was just chucking to that speedy dude, #1 I think, who seemed open all the time. Seen him a handful of times over the past couple of years and didn't come away saying wow, look at that QB. Ah - so he just threw to the open guy all the time? Awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 don't worry, the Chiefs will take him and save us from another QB mistake. Lets hope so... Geez, a highlight reel. I'd be more interested in watching all the throws during a game against a top opponent. Like this one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27_09VIL3d8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Didn't look too hot vs Syracuse. To me it appeared he wasn't going through progressions in that Pinstrip Bowl. He was just chucking to that speedy dude, #1 I think, who seemed open all the time. Seen him a handful of times over the past couple of years and didn't come away saying wow, look at that QB. LOL, FearTheLosing just sunk your entire argument by posting the Syracuse game. Smith makes his first pass attempt from the pocket at 9:15 in that video. On his very first pocket pass, he goes through his progression before finding an open man as the safety valve. Smith's numbers in that game: 19/28 (68%) 201yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 151 Rating. Yeah, real horrible. I implore everyone in this thread to please watch the Syracuse game that has been posted. It is the one most referred to around here. Everyone says "Marrone beat Smith" or "Nassib beat Smith" as if these games are 1-on-1. Watch the tape. It's just an all-around crappy game. Dana Holgorsen loses that game for WVU by running so much against an excited Defense. He only allowed Smith to pass 28 times, his 2nd lowest of the season (first lowest was 24 times in a blowout where Smith went 23/24 407yds 3TDs). Then as usual, WVU's defense doesnt bother to show up. It's Smith's fault the OL wasnt blocking. It's Smith's fault the WRs ran into each other at the end of the first drive. It's Smith's fault WVU's kicker missed a 30 yard FG to open the game. Puh-leeze. Marrone out-coached Holgorsen in this game, all there is to it. Edited February 14, 2013 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) LOL, FearTheLosing just sunk your entire argument by posting the Syracuse game. Smith makes his first pass attempt from the pocket at 9:15 in that video. On his very first pocket pass, he goes through his progression before finding an open man as the safety valve. Smith's numbers in that game: 19/28 (68%) 201yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 151 Rating. Yeah, real horrible. I implore everyone in this thread to please watch the Syracuse game that has been posted. It is the one most referred to around here. Everyone says "Marrone beat Smith" or "Nassib beat Smith" as if these games are 1-on-1. Watch the tape. It's just an all-around crappy game. Dana Holgorsen loses that game for WVU by running so much against an excited Defense. He only allowed Smith to pass 28 times, his 2nd lowest of the season (first lowest was 24 times in a blowout where Smith went 23/24 407yds 3TDs). Then as usual, WVU's defense doesnt bother to show up. It's Smith's fault the OL wasnt blocking. It's Smith's fault the WRs ran into each other at the end of the first drive. It's Smith's fault WVU's kicker missed a 30 yard FG to open the game. Puh-leeze. Marrone out-coached Holgorsen in this game, all there is to it. If people on this board don't allow that argument to go by wiht Fitz, then why would you expect the same people to let it go by for Geno? rotoworld.com: NFL Network's Mike Mayock stated on the Rich Eisen Podcast that he has a "hard time buying" West Virginia QB Geno Smith as a legitimate selection for the Chiefs at No. 1 overall. "I have a hard time buying into that," said Mayock, fresh off studying 12 hours of Geno's tape. "I couldn't even pound the table today for a first-round quarterback, let alone a (No. 1) pick quarterback. I watched a bunch of Geno Smith and he can make every throw. He's athletic. The ball jumps out of his hand. But there's a lot of things that make me nervous about him. He misses people by wide margins for no reason. I see a little bit of hesitancy with the blitz. When that first read is not there, it's not as pretty on the second or third read. His eyes come down. He makes mistakes." IMO, Geno is the best QB prospect in this draft and I would be ecstatic if he dropped to us at #8. I cannot see him dropping to #8 though, considering the amount of teams ahead of us that need a QB. Mike Mayock said: Geno Smith can make every throw. He's athletic. The ball jumps out of his hand. Exactly, and that's why he'll be gone by 8 probably. Edited February 14, 2013 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 If Speedy Dude #1 was first in his progressions......and he was open all the time.....there would have been no need to go through any other progressions. Just saying... True. But in order to make the transition to the NFL level, he'll have to learn how to go through his progressions. Losman is a good example of a QB who never learned to go through his progressions at the college level, and never learned it in the NFL either. All else being equal, I feel much more comfortable drafting a college QB who's shown he can go through his progressions, than one who is a question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Forget linebacker. If the only thing the Bills accomplish in the next two years is to acquire a franchise QB, these two years will have been a success. You can get good, solid linebackers later in the draft. Give this man a cigar . And Geno Smith ws sacked 19 times this year in 13 games. Being mobile doesnt necessarily mean being a runner. But I still prefer a Tyler Wilson just 'cuz of his attitude but we have to have a QB. A solid QB makes every position stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I don't think the Eagles will take him just because I think it's too high of a grade for him. Sure he's arguably the best QB but there are so many sure thing position players that are highly touted that I think it would be a waste to draft Geno so high. The best part about Chip Kelly's offense IMO is that it can be successful WITHOUT a great QB! Think of how many "mobile" qb's are out there that are available. Nobody wants them because they aren't successful in the typical NFL system. But in a system like Chip Kelly's I think they would flourish. I bet Chip will just stock up on these QB's that most teams don't want and get them for next to nothing. No use wasting a high draft choice on a QB imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) If people on this board don't allow that argument to go by wiht Fitz, then why would you expect the same people to let it go by for Geno? True, but Fitz has proven to be a wildly inaccurate QB with a weak arm, regardless of how the rest of the team plays. Smith is neither inaccurate or weak. But I definitely get your point that people have a hard time separating individual versus team performance. True. But in order to make the transition to the NFL level, he'll have to learn how to go through his progressions. Losman is a good example of a QB who never learned to go through his progressions at the college level, and never learned it in the NFL either. All else being equal, I feel much more comfortable drafting a college QB who's shown he can go through his progressions, than one who is a question mark. Then Smith makes your grade. Edited February 14, 2013 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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