thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 very difficult to believe. even if they like Warmack or his style better, there are too many holes in this theory. one, he's unproven and two, yer using up a #8 pick just to make that *potential* upgrade. it's basically like trading a proven good player in Levitre AND the 8th overall pick for a slight upgrade in Warmack. with the other holes the Bills have, I cannot see how they could justify that, even for 2 million savings... not like they're up against it or anything. It's not $2M in savings, it's probably closer to $5M/year...but I get what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Me too. Warmack and Nassib would infuriate me the most. Warmack is a very good guard, but he'll be gone in 4 years. Yep, and Marrone and Nassib will be gone in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 very difficult to believe. even if they like Warmack or his style better, there are too many holes in this theory. one, he's unproven and two, yer using up a #8 pick just to make that *potential* upgrade. it's basically like trading a proven good player in Levitre AND the 8th overall pick for a slight upgrade in Warmack. with the other holes the Bills have, I cannot see how they could justify that, even for 2 million savings... not like they're up against it or anything. This. The Very Good vs Ellite argument is fan speak. Levitre is a bird in hand Warmack is a dozen in the bush. I'm sure Buddy knows all about that type of a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I would not like a G at #8. If anything I would prefer Dee Milliner if we dont go QB,WR, or LB at #8 CBF For the love of God, please not another defensive back with our first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 For the love of God, please not another defensive back with our first round pick. I'm just saying if by some off chance that the top QB, WR, and LB are gone then I wouldnt hate them for drafting the top CB CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Further proof the talking heads are NOT experts. You NEVER draft a guard that high..ever. Freaking tard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'm amazed at the myopia around here. While I personally doubt the Bills will draft Warmack, it wouldn't bother me in the least. I can see them taking Fisher and moving Glenn over to LG. That would be a scary left side. But if Geno is there, that's who they're gonna take. In the meantime, know this: 1.) Chance Warmack is already a better G than Levitre and it's not even close. Twice the player for less than half the price might be tempting. 2.) Glenn is already a better G than he is a tackle and would also be an upgrade over Levitre. If they plugged Fisher in at LT, they would have seriously upgraded two positions on the line. Either scenario is far from the worst thing that could happen, personnel wise, to this team. When you have so few good players, you gotta take blue chippers when they are there. But let's not let that get in the way of our short-sighted worries. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'm amazed at the myopia around here. While I personally doubt the Bills will draft Warmack, it wouldn't bother me in the least. I can see them taking Fisher and moving Glenn over to LG. That would be a scary left side. But if Geno is there, that's who they're gonna take. In the meantime, know this: 1.) Chance Warmack is already a better G than Levitre and it's not even close. Twice the player for less than half the price might be tempting. 2.) Glenn is already a better G than he is a tackle and would also be an upgrade over Levitre. If they plugged Fisher in at LT, they would have seriously upgraded two positions on the line. Either scenario is far from the worst thing that could happen, personnel wise, to this team. When you have so few good players, you gotta take blue chippers when they are there. But let's not let that get in the way of our short-sighted worries. GO BILLS!!! I don't disagree about Fisher...But he'll be gone by #8...If The Bills want to go O-Line at #8, which I don't believe they will, it will be Lane Johnson or nothing (I just don't see them taking an OG there period)...And at least one Scout, Daniel Jeremiah, thinks there is a chance that Joeckel, Fisher, and Johnson all go in the Top 7... Anyway...Taking an OT like Johnson at least fits the organizational philosophy Buddy has tried to implement along the O-Line...Take OT's and move them inside if necessary...I don't think the Bills would move Glenn inside though...More likely they would move him to RT, and move Hairston to LG...Just my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Agree with all of this. Makes me wonder about their plans with Hairston/Sanders... I think Hairston is going to be taking Levitre's place - or at least be given the chance to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I get what you're saying...I'm wondering: would it make any difference to you if you knew the team felt that Warmack was an elite level OG, whereas Levitre wasn't? Not saying that's how they feel, or that they'd be correct to feel that way...just wondering if it would change your opinion at all? I guess I would say that first off, I disagree with the premise of your first statement, which is that Levitre wasn't "elite". I keep hearing some people say that, and I honestly don't know where these conclusions come from. Fine, we can disagree that he wasn't "elite", but he certainly by just about any metric has been one of the better guards in the league. He is durable, never misses a game. He didn't give up many sacks and the past two years the YPC behind him has been near or at the top of the league. If you want to dismiss these stats, fine, but from my point of view, just going by what I visually saw, he has been a beast. So I guess that is the crux of it all, valuing his level of play. I consider him a top 5 guard, and some people don't. In any case, if Levitre is earning $8M a year, and we go by what you and a few others believe, that Warmack will be better, which is a big if, but even if I were to accept that judgement, what would Warmack's potential value be if he were to live up to his expectations and look to get paid with his first re-signing contract? If Levitre is getting $8M, then surely Warmack an "elite" guard in today's world would be getting $9M a year. It just doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I don't disagree about Fisher...But he'll be gone by #8...If The Bills want to go O-Line at #8, which I don't believe they will, it will be Lane Johnson or nothing (I just don't see them taking an OG there period)...And at least one Scout, Daniel Jeremiah, thinks there is a chance that Joeckel, Fisher, and Johnson all go in the Top 7... Anyway...Taking an OT like Johnson at least fits the organizational philosophy Buddy has tried to implement along the O-Line...Take OT's and move them inside if necessary...I don't think the Bills would move Glenn inside though...More likely they would move him to RT, and move Hairston to LG...Just my opinion... Agree entirely. In speaking to a couple of people, they have Joeckel, Fisher, and Warmack rated as their top 3 players overall. While that speaks to the relative lack of impact talent at the top end, especially at the glamour (their word, not mine) positions, that in no way should diminish how highly rated these guys are. One of them would have rated Warmack after only Andrew Luck at this time last year. Personally, it makes more sense to draft a blue chip LT who's already better than Glenn and move Glenn inside where he's a better G than Levitre anyway. GO BILLS!!! GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 nope a guard isn't that big of a need. lb wr or qb. we need a game changer G are the easiest to replace, draft one in the 4th round if one is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Has it ever occurred to anyone that the Bills' brass might not feel linebacker is a need? Think about it. They like Shepperd and Bradham. They can use either Mark Anderson or Mario at OLB. And they just signed Lawson to man the SS. Now I'm not saying I agree with that, but that could be the case. They might just bring in some UDFAs and UFAs to fill in the back up spots. This is the Bills we're talking about. Edited March 28, 2013 by NoJustice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas56 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Never going to happen. They will not use a top 10 pick on a guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 i think warmack is a fantastic player, but that might qualify as "worst case scenario" in my head if thats 1 & 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Has it ever occurred to anyone that the Bills' brass might not feel linebacker is a need? Think about it. They like Shepperd and Bradham. They can use either Mark Anderson or Mario at OLB. And they just signed Lawson to man the SS. Now I'm not saying I agree with that, but that could be the case. They might just bring in some UDFAs and UFAs to fill in the back up spots. This is the Bills we're talking about. It's hard to believe they don't think LB is a need, regardless of how much they 'like' the guys. It was our worst position group by a mile last year. Hell, they would have taken Keuchly is Carolina didn't snap him up so they didn't think much of them last year, either. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Sounds like McShay said 'what did the Bills lose this off season, and who will be available?' He also used the Marrone tie to Nassib. McShay proved once again why he should not be the heir apparent to Mel! Not like Mel has been great for about a decade is ever. Edited March 28, 2013 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I guess I would say that first off, I disagree with the premise of your first statement, which is that Levitre wasn't "elite". I keep hearing some people say that, and I honestly don't know where these conclusions come from. Fine, we can disagree that he wasn't "elite", but he certainly by just about any metric has been one of the better guards in the league. He is durable, never misses a game. He didn't give up many sacks and the past two years the YPC behind him has been near or at the top of the league. If you want to dismiss these stats, fine, but from my point of view, just going by what I visually saw, he has been a beast. So I guess that is the crux of it all, valuing his level of play. I consider him a top 5 guard, and some people don't. In any case, if Levitre is earning $8M a year, and we go by what you and a few others believe, that Warmack will be better, which is a big if, but even if I were to accept that judgement, what would Warmack's potential value be if he were to live up to his expectations and look to get paid with his first re-signing contract? If Levitre is getting $8M, then surely Warmack an "elite" guard in today's world would be getting $9M a year. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't know why it's so hard for people to wrap their mind around the possibility that Levitre, while being a good player, might not have been the type of player that they valued that highly at that position. Perhaps they wanted someone more physical. Different schemes utilize different attributes. For example, one player might be perfect for a zone block scheme, but a poor fit for a power blocking scheme, and vice versa. Isn't it at least possible that they wanted to be tougher up front? I noticed year before last when we played the Jets that our offense was physically dominated and beat up by their D. Levitre does many things well, but he is more of a finess blocker than a mauler. That means you're less likely to pick up short yardage first downs behind him, and your QB is less likely to have a pocket to step up into to deliver a strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) I'm amazed at the myopia around here. While I personally doubt the Bills will draft Warmack, it wouldn't bother me in the least. I can see them taking Fisher and moving Glenn over to LG. That would be a scary left side. But if Geno is there, that's who they're gonna take. In the meantime, know this: 1.) Chance Warmack is already a better G than Levitre and it's not even close. Twice the player for less than half the price might be tempting. 2.) Glenn is already a better G than he is a tackle and would also be an upgrade over Levitre. If they plugged Fisher in at LT, they would have seriously upgraded two positions on the line. Either scenario is far from the worst thing that could happen, personnel wise, to this team. When you have so few good players, you gotta take blue chippers when they are there. But let's not let that get in the way of our short-sighted worries. GO BILLS!!! I'm amazed at the absurdity of this post. Chance has played 0 downs in the NFL. Glenn is not a Guard. Glenn is a good NFL LT. Pure Drivel. According to some of you David DeCastro is a HoFer Guard too. Edited March 29, 2013 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I truly hate the idea of using a first round pick to fill a hole created during FA. See: McKelvin, Leodis. Take off your blinders and see the size of the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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