mrags Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 EVERY winning team has been stocking up on tall, stud receivers and tight ends for years. That has been a definite trend. The Bills tried, but whiffed horribly with Hardy and Easley. They need to keep trying. These late round, 6 footers aren't going to cut it. We've already got Jones and Graham, and they aren't cutting it. I'm hoping they are both replaced ASAP. speaking of this. When we got Chan, all the fans knew that Stevie was special. Now he's our #1. Regardless if its arguable if he should be or not, he was no where on anyone's radar before Chan came. Chan really made him something special. Now I have no doubt that he will continue under Marrone or anyone else. What I wonder, is maybe Marrone sees something with one of our other WRs. Easley for example. Chan couldn't or wouldn't try and get anything out of him, I wonder if Marrone can do something with one of these guys like Chan did for SJ. Here's to hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainwampus Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I think you're picking on the wrong guy. It's not that Stevie won't attempt the types of catches you're describing, it's that his QB doesn't throw those kind of balls. What the people questioning your position are saying is that we don't know what Stevie would do, and what his maximum potential as a WR is, because our QB sucks. So, you think Ravens would be Super Bowl bound if Flacco was throwing to SJ and Jones instead of Smith and Boldin? That's hard to fathom. Our guys don't even compare to theirs, regardless of who is playing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) What we need is a QB that can throw the ball over 10 yards with any kind of accuracy consistently. Once we have a real QB, we'll know what kind of wrs we have imo Stevie Johnson pre-Fitzpatrick: 2 season, 16 games, 12 receptions, 112yds, 2TDs Scott Chandler pre-Fitzpatrick: 3 seasons, 10 games, 0 receptions, 0 yds, 0TDs With all due respect to your opinion and other people's constant jabs on Fitzpatrick, we have nothing but 7th round draft picks, and practice squad fodder as WR and TE's on this team. (we'll see what Graham turns into) Bills WR: Nelson - undrafted SJ - 7th round Graham - 3rd round Brad Smith - no comment R. Martin - undrafted Donald Jones - undrafted In other words, we have GARBAGE at WR. Fitz keeps getting all the blame though. While Nelson and Stevie have been able to produce on the field we don't have elite talent at that position. Edited January 22, 2013 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I hear ya...but assuming Fitz wins our QB competition or in the event we start a Nassib, Wilson or Gannon, some throws will not be accurate but will be in the ballpark. It is in those instances we need a strong physical receiver who wants to get the ball more than the DB. If he wins, I'd prefer to lose every game and get the #1 pick. I never think like that, but I can't deal with this fitz guy anymore. He's now the enemy. He does nothing but hurt our team. I don't want to see him win. I can't stand him. I may break my consecutive games watched streak at around 180 if he's the starter. Can't fathom the situation. I'm getting ill just thinking about it. Stevie Johnson pre-Fitzpatrick: 2 season, 16 games, 12 receptions, 112yds, 2TDs Scott Chandler pre-Fitzpatrick: 3 seasons, 10 games, 0 receptions, 0 yds, 0TDs With all due respect to your opinion and other people's constant jabs on Fitzpatrick, we have nothing but 7th round draft picks, and practice squad fodder as WR and TE's on this team. (we'll see what Graham turns into) Bills WR: Nelson - undrafted SJ - 7th round Graham - 3rd round Brad Smith - no comment R. Martin - undrafted Donald Jones - undrafted In other words, we have GARBAGE at WR. Fitz keeps getting all the blame though. While Nelson and Stevie have been able to produce on the field we don't have elite talent at that position. watch him throw the ball over 10 yards lately? There's no argument anyone can make about fitz not being the major problem. Who cares where these guys were drafted? Doesn't mean they aren't capable players. Chandler was a backup to gates and witten. Good argument though. Keep thinking fitz isn't the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 If he wins, I'd prefer to lose every game and get the #1 pick. I never think like that, but I can't deal with this fitz guy anymore. He's now the enemy. He does nothing but hurt our team. I don't want to see him win. I can't stand him. I may break my consecutive games watched streak at around 180 if he's the starter. Can't fathom the situation. I'm getting ill just thinking about it. watch him throw the ball over 10 yards lately? There's no argument anyone can make about fitz not being the major problem. Who cares where these guys were drafted? Doesn't mean they aren't capable players. Chandler was a backup to gates and witten. Good argument though. Keep thinking fitz isn't the problem. Who cares where these guys were drafted? I do. It means that we've been ignoring the position for the past 5-8 years. You can only find so many Stevie Johnson's and Marques Colston's before you have to address the position. Stevie is unable to outrun a DB when he has a 5yd lead on him. Martin, Jones, Smith are GARBAGE at WR. Not even average - GARBAGE. I'm not ignoring Fitz's limitations, but you deny the fact that Fitz has been able to get Stevie - a nobody before Fitz became starter - 3 consecutive 1,000yd seasons. It's just in response to your "real QB" comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Who cares where these guys were drafted? I do. It means that we've been ignoring the position for the past 5-8 years. You can only find so many Stevie Johnson's and Marques Colston's before you have to address the position. Stevie is unable to outrun a DB when he has a 5yd lead on him. Martin, Jones, Smith are GARBAGE at WR. Not even average - GARBAGE. I'm not ignoring Fitz's limitations, but you deny the fact that Fitz has been able to get Stevie - a nobody before Fitz became starter - 3 consecutive 1,000yd seasons. It's just in response to your "real QB" comment. If someone else was the QB, Stevie would be talking about 3 consecutive 1300 yards- 10 td seasons. No one has any idea how good our other wrs are. Any route they run over 10 yards is a wash. When your QB can only throw 20% of the pass chart, you can't scout a WR. I don't think these wrs are garbage. I think jones and Nelson might be ok with a real QB. A QB that can throw an entire playbook. Not 20% of it. Think what you like about our wrs and where they were drafted, the QB is the biggest problem. And it's not even close. Which round was Fitzpatrick drafted? Oh yeah. Edited January 22, 2013 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 So, you think Ravens would be Super Bowl bound if Flacco was throwing to SJ and Jones instead of Smith and Boldin? That's hard to fathom. Our guys don't even compare to theirs, regardless of who is playing QB. How you got Flacco and Super Bowl out of what I said is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Ive said it in other post. As long as we dont have to over pay like the Jags did for Laurent Robinson, Danario Alexander would be a huge threat on this team. At 6'6" and with 6'7" Chandler(provided he comes back healthy). It could potenially turn into a potent WR core The Bills missed the boat on Danario Alexander, I believe they worked him out on September 24th and passed. Now he's a restricted free agent and SD will tender as hgh as a first rounder. Wonder who had the vision to pass on him after the work out? Same guy who thought Fitz was a franchise QB? Nice move!!! Edited January 23, 2013 by biggerdaddynj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albany c2 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I wouldn't mind a WR at #8, but remember we have so many holes to fill. QB- Obvious RT- Big question mark, I like Urbik at LG MLB- I don't think Sheppard is our guy OLB- How much longer does Barnett have? Is Bradham even any good? Bryan Scott is a JOKE FS- When Jairus walks SS- George Wilson had arguably the worst season out of anyone on our D, hopefully Searcy can excel in Pettine's scheme (Laron Landry did, and they have similar size and speed) CB- McKelvin improved in limited time, but we still need alot of help here. This is a defense-heavy draft. My dream would be Jarvis Jones, Te'o, or Ogletree in the first. Maybe Keenan Allen from Cal in the 2nd? Then we go QB in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Too bad we didn't make a run at Alshon Jeffrey last yr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 You cant really go out up and fight for an 7 yard pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Quinton Patton is the guy we need opposite Stevie. The guy drops nothing unlike Donald Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Too bad there is not anther Julio Jones in the draft. Jones will have a Randy Moss type career with out the drama. Everyone, including myself questioned the move by Dimitrof. But if you have a good qb, you need two good wr's and one good pass catching t.e. and you will win more than you lose. the Falcons Oline is average, running backs are average, defense is average. They made it to the NFC championship game MOSTLY because of 4 guys- Ryan, White, Jones, Gonzalez.. All very good. The rest of the team is average really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 You cant really go out up and fight for an 7 yard pass You do when it is 3rd and goal at the 7 yd line and a TD wins you the game. That's where you throw it to the corner and let your big receiver go up and get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 As shown in the Superbowl last night...tight coverage by CB on Bolden, off shoulder throw on the sideline, cornerback has an arm up under Bolden's chin, Bolden snares the ball and takes possession midair. They referenced it last night and talked about it this morning. Our WR's need to learn to fight for the ball and come down with it...not just make a half assed attempt to catch it, or shrug shoulders as if to say "was uncatchable" or immediately go into defensive mode and try to knock the ball down for fear of it being intercepted. They talked about Bolden again this morning...how he fights for the ball in tight coverage and consistently wins possession. This is something we need to see stressed during training camp with our new WR's coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Cordarelle Patterson i think will be the next Boldin, I hope we can pick him up ! He is 6' 3" tall & 205 lbs but can add some weight & still be a Boldin type receiver. Boldin is 6' 1" & 223 lbs what they are saying about Patterson is some really good stuff !! He could be the missing link in our offense !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What we need is a QB that can throw the ball over 10 yards with any kind of accuracy consistently. Once we have a real QB, we'll know what kind of wrs we have imo Exactly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Exactly.... I understand we need an upgrade at QB, but nothing says you can't try and find a "fighter type" WR at the same time. My view of the current roster is this: I don't believe TJ Graham has the killer instinct to go up and get a ball when it is a 50/50 proposition...not sure Stevie J. is that type either (Stevie is a WR that likes to take the ball in stride and cross into the open field IMO), Nelson is a stud and tall but..... is he a receiver who is open even when he isn't? As for Jones, Smith, Ruvell and our Grade A reserves....well, that's why they didn't play all that much. The point is...you can have an upgrade at QB AND at WR...just don't draft a smallish, 185 lb speedster or a journeyman who can get open sometimes...DRAFT or Acquire a taller, strong, possession WR who knows how to come down with the ball in a crowd. My feeling is that it can't be taught so much as it has to be demonstrated on film. If there is a WR that has those tendencies as demonstrated in college game film (or a FA WR)...you have to find him. Edited February 4, 2013 by BringBackFergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 As shown in the Superbowl last night...tight coverage by CB on Bolden, off shoulder throw on the sideline, cornerback has an arm up under Bolden's chin, Bolden snares the ball and takes possession midair. They referenced it last night and talked about it this morning. Our WR's need to learn to fight for the ball and come down with it...not just make a half assed attempt to catch it, or shrug shoulders as if to say "was uncatchable" or immediately go into defensive mode and try to knock the ball down for fear of it being intercepted. They talked about Bolden again this morning...how he fights for the ball in tight coverage and consistently wins possession. This is something we need to see stressed during training camp with our new WR's coach. this is going to sound like im piling on the thread about SJ13 not working out - but that is stuff you earn in the offseason. the qb and wr have to be on the same page. i know in the SB thread i commented on flacco being lucky to be hitting those so often, but its not all luck. he and his receivers were very much in sync and on the same page with him throwing to spots that they could make those plays on the ball, and in return them knowing where the ball would be going in order to work to get that position. for the most part those werent receivers fighting for errant throws like we see with fitz/stevie. its MUCH harder to unexpectedly have to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 this is going to sound like im piling on the thread about SJ13 not working out - but that is stuff you earn in the offseason. the qb and wr have to be on the same page. i know in the SB thread i commented on flacco being lucky to be hitting those so often, but its not all luck. he and his receivers were very much in sync and on the same page with him throwing to spots that they could make those plays on the ball, and in return them knowing where the ball would be going in order to work to get that position. for the most part those werent receivers fighting for errant throws like we see with fitz/stevie. its MUCH harder to unexpectedly have to adjust. I agree with your premise...that the QB and WR need to be on the same page; also, the QB needs to be able to put the ball somewhere in the neighborhood for the WR to make a play on the ball. But I can't agree with the majority of posters who say that Fitz never threw the ball accurately...ever. He threw a fair amount of TD's this season...many by yards after catch which is the cornerstone of the Gailey offense (misdirection, screens, flood the throwing lanes, quick slants relying on safeties to mistackle or misread the receivers pattern). But with success comes failure...and in those instances where Fitz' throw was underneath or short, I can't think of a reception where the WR came down with a 50/50 ball. I've seen Chandler do it...but nothing like the 4 or 5 times I've seen Bolden win a possession battle for the ball in his last two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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