Kelly the Dog Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm right there with you. His ST abilities are a huge bonus but for a former 1st rounder I think he should be contributing more than just on ST and Nickel packages. While that is true, it's entirely immaterial to this discussion or the decision the Bills have to make. How much, right now, on the open market, is McLovin' worth, considering you probably have to add 2-3 CBs to your roster this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I think one of the more interesting developments of this off-season is going to be what the new staff sees in players currently on the roster. Boy that's an understatement! i can't wait to see who they keep and who they dump. I am crossing my fingers that they see something in our secondary and don't feel the need to gut it. McKelvin is a big part of that of course. i hope he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm not sure how much is he due next year, but I think he has enough talent to bring back and give a chance to make the team in training camp. He certainly has the make-up speed to close that you want in a CB. I don't know if he can be taught the cover skills to stay with someone. Give him a shot in training camp for sure. His special team skills are special -- that is a big plus by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Don't worry folks, even if he's on another team, he'll still be posting on Twitter. That's all we need. #datrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) While that is true, it's entirely immaterial to this discussion or the decision the Bills have to make. How much, right now, on the open market, is McLovin' worth, considering you probably have to add 2-3 CBs to your roster this year. To the discussion probably but I don't think to the decision the Bills have to make. Someone wants to offer him 6-8 million a year to take kick offs/punts and play ~10 defensive downs a game then they can have him. His market value, I agree that he might have higher value considering the market but I'm curious how many teams see him as anything more than what I initially posted. I know I don't know how the league looks at him. Edited January 10, 2013 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 His speed could be an asset for the new DC who likes to use exotic blitz packages. Perhaps he could blitz as a corner a bit. But I wouldn't overpay for him. His coverage is above-average, but he has TERRIBLE ball awareness and skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I do. I'd estimate him getting a 3 year at under 10. No way he comes that cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I can't believe people think he will be getting offers of 5-6 million a year but I suppose it's possible. I think like most players, he would be dumb not to test FA. The Bills have been blessed with a lot of good returners on KR and PR over his career. Some team may offer him the PR and KR duties plus a chance to start or play a lot at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I think we need to keep him for his ST ability alone. But I am interested to find out if he will fare better with a more aggressive style of defense. He may do better in man coverage where his athletic ability is most important rather than a zone scheme where he needs to use his brain to make reads and such. Unless somebody gives him a huge payday, I think he will be back. Keep him. I think he's a good player. Not great but good. Love his ST ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I would bring him back for the right price. Good return man and a very seductive player (Great physical capabilities, shows flashes of brilliance, and his weak points seem correctable) but its been 5 seasons (08, 09, 10, 11, 12) we know what we have with McKelvin for the most part. Yes he is still young and yeah the skills are there. But you have to set your price and stick to it I say 4-5 million 3-4 year deal nothing gauranteed beyond the first year. Sadly because there will be some team that could use a return man and thinks they got what it takes to correct him he will get paid in the 6-7 million dollar range for a 5+ year deal with a guarantee. Give him a fair offer and just leave it at that. He walks he walks. Its not a big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missthe kgun Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Take care of Bryd and Levitre 1st... then work on keeping him, he's too dynamic to not try at least to keep him here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 @ChrisBrownBills Leodis makes another All-NFL list http://wp.me/plmrg-7g3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) its not my money......i don't understand why some of you are worried about a million or two of ralph's money. we gave 60 mil to a worthless QB...who cares if we overpay a talented all around player an extra mil or two? leodis brings a ton of value at the KR position and the D did fare better with McK in and AW out. seems like a no brainer to me. Edited January 11, 2013 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think that if the FO really was serious about using analytics this would be the perfect test for them. At what dollar value is he worth keeping? Above that value let him leave. Below that, keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 its not my money......i don't understand why some of you are worried about a million or two of ralph's money. we gave 60 mil to a worthless QB...who cares if we overpay a talented all around player an extra mil or two? leodis brings a ton of value at the KR position and the D did fare better with McK in and AW out. seems like a no brainer to me. On one hand, I agree with you, as long as it doesn't kill the cap, but we've got Fitzy and another new QB, linebackers, and a few other things including basic raises to worry about for a few players, plus Byrd and Levitre. Also, you can't overpay players too much lest you run into a situation like Jason Peters seeing Dockery and Langston Walker earning way more despite being clearly inferior at less crucial positions. You can overpay a bit, but not at the cost of causing discontent. I do agree with the poster who says "this is a job for analytics." There's a value for Leodis, and probably a point at which he is not worth the salary relative to what a replacement plus that salary distributed elsewhere will yield, if that makes sense. Basically, if it's Ron Brooks at #2CB and we lose Leodis, OR McKelvin stays but we lose Byrd, I know what I'm choosing. The question as regards salary is: what will paying McKelvin prohibit the Bills from doing, once his salary eclipses a certain point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 We need several CBs to play in this defense. His ST play is a huge advantage. He also, as you said, may benefit from the new defense. I thought before last year that our pass rush (which never ever materialized) would allow us to find out what kind of talent we actually had at CB. And we never found that out, except for the fact that they cannot cover anyone when QBs have all day to throw and can run at will. I really hope we keep McLovin. Completely agree...but I think he has "too much" talent that some team is going to pay more than the Bills are going to want to pay to keep him. They can't pay everyone... I can't believe people think he will be getting offers of 5-6 million a year but I suppose it's possible. I think like most players, he would be dumb not to test FA. The Bills have been blessed with a lot of good returners on KR and PR over his career. Some team may offer him the PR and KR duties plus a chance to start or play a lot at CB. I remember that the Broncos were rumored to be very interested in Leodis a year or two ago...there was even mention of him being the center-piece, from the Bills end, in a trade for Tebow...at that time, there seemed to be the perception that league sources felt McKelvin was a "superstar" waiting for the right place to thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think we need to keep him for his ST ability alone. But I am interested to find out if he will fare better with a more aggressive style of defense. He may do better in man coverage where his athletic ability is most important rather than a zone scheme where he needs to use his brain to make reads and such. Unless somebody gives him a huge payday, I think he will be back. I agree. McKelvin has the athletic ability to perform at the NFL level. Let's see if new coaches can help him live up to his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I can't believe people think he will be getting offers of 5-6 million a year but I suppose it's possible. I think like most players, he would be dumb not to test FA. The Bills have been blessed with a lot of good returners on KR and PR over his career. Some team may offer him the PR and KR duties plus a chance to start or play a lot at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 i say keep McLovin. He can handle both punt and Kickoff returns and he's pretty good at it. He can change field position so he has excellent value on that alone. Plus I would like to see him in this Defense. Maybe Petine can max his talent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paupmvp1995 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I would bring him back for the right price. Good return man and a very seductive player (Great physical capabilities, shows flashes of brilliance, and his weak points seem correctable) but its been 5 seasons (08, 09, 10, 11, 12) we know what we have with McKelvin for the most part. Yes he is still young and yeah the skills are there. But you have to set your price and stick to it I say 4-5 million 3-4 year deal nothing gauranteed beyond the first year. Sadly because there will be some team that could use a return man and thinks they got what it takes to correct him he will get paid in the 6-7 million dollar range for a 5+ year deal with a guarantee. Give him a fair offer and just leave it at that. He walks he walks. Its not a big loss. I think McKelvin has a good chance of coming back. No team is going to offer a 5 year contract to a corner who is most likely not going to be a starter for them. I think Leodis loves playing for the Bills and would love to come back. He is one of the best returners in the league and will hopefully stay at that level for at least the next three years. I would make him a competitive offer in the 3 year 10 million range and go from there. He can play anywhere from our number 2 thru 5 corner, and be an amazing return guy. And I hope everyone notices how much energy he brings to the team. I really like his positive attitude. Lets hope our new coaching staff feels the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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