Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 Manziel's quite artistic in the same way that a point guard is in basketball. He creates angles and leverages that most quarterbacks don't see, because they don't create them. How would you feel about Manziel if you heard a pro scout say (next year), "he's a slightly larger version of Russell Wilson?" He's not. At all. There were more than a few things about Russell Wilson that belie his height, Johnny Football has none of those things. Manziel does other things really well though that help his game. But Wilson is different than other short guys because he has an absolute cannon for an arm, he throws perfectly over his head, he has a great knack for finding throwing lanes with a quick release while standing in the pocket, he has long arms and huge hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Not sure if anyone has posted this but can we draft this guy this year? Don't care if he is a freshman I'll wait. This guy is pretty damn good! Edited January 5, 2013 by Dante Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He's not. At all. There were more than a few things about Russell Wilson that belie his height, Johnny Football has none of those things. Manziel does other things really well though that help his game. But Wilson is different than other short guys because he has an absolute cannon for an arm, he throws perfectly over his head, he has a great knack for finding throwing lanes with a quick release while standing in the pocket, he has long arms and huge hands. Is that you Buddy? It's too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Agree jones will be a 5th round pick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He's not. At all. There were more than a few things about Russell Wilson that belie his height, Johnny Football has none of those things. Manziel does other things really well though that help his game. But Wilson is different than other short guys because he has an absolute cannon for an arm, he throws perfectly over his head, he has a great knack for finding throwing lanes with a quick release while standing in the pocket, he has long arms and huge hands. They're both great athletes who can hurt you with their legs and use their legs to extend plays to break down the defense. They're both accurate throwers. They're both creative in their ad libs. Neither has prototypical size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Jones...get yer chit together son...you're better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Fitzy 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 They're both great athletes who can hurt you with their legs and use their legs to extend plays to break down the defense. They're both accurate throwers. They're both creative in their ad libs. Neither has prototypical size. So anyways Kelly, I wasn't saying that they're the identical player. Only that they have some remarkable similarities. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 They're both great athletes who can hurt you with their legs and use their legs to extend plays to break down the defense. They're both accurate throwers. They're both creative in their ad libs. Neither has prototypical size. True but there are a lot of college QBs who lack size that are great in college but cannot do it in the NFL because they don't have cannons for arms (Manziel has a good arm, not a cannon, and he wins up to throw it hard or deep, which will kill him and kills almost all other smaller guys in the pros), he doesn't have the knack for finding throwing lanes, he runs around and throws sidearm and off his back foot (which gets guys killed in the NFL), he doesn't have the great throwing motion or long arms and mechanics, which allows Wilson to get the ball out higher than his 5'11" guy but more like a 6'2" guy. I love Johnny Football, don't get me wrong, but Wilson was a freak. Manziel is a Flutie kind of guy, although more accurate (and Flutie would have a little harder time now that players seem to average an inch or two more in height across the board than when he played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Fitzy 2.0 Really? Fitz wishes he was as good as Jones worst day. Edited January 5, 2013 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 BTW, in spite of his very unorthodox throwing style (what some would characterize as bad mechanics) Manziel has looked very accurate. In that particular regard, I think the earlier comparison to Favre is legit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 @thurmanthomas Landry Jones #FA LOL, Thurman, The Sooners vs Cowboys rivalry never dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 that OU OC needs a beating calling all these run plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 BTW, in spite of his very unorthodox throwing style (what some would characterize as bad mechanics) Manziel has looked very accurate. In that particular regard, I think the earlier comparison to Favre is legit too. I agree with that. He's really accurate. It will be interesting to see him develop. Hopefully he will grow an inch or so and put on 10-15 pounds. He's what, 19? Maybe 20? Gotta love watching him now. Would be great for the NFL if he could play (although another thing I fear is that he is slender and would get killed. Russell Wilson is built and pretty big for his weight.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Jones...get yer chit together son...you're better than this. No, He aint. He is what he is. He's completing well over 60% of his passes and where are the points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 True but there are a lot of college QBs who lack size that are great in college but cannot do it in the NFL because they don't have cannons for arms (Manziel has a good arm, not a cannon, and he wins up to throw it hard or deep, which will kill him and kills almost all other smaller guys in the pros), he doesn't have the knack for finding throwing lanes, he runs around and throws sidearm and off his back foot (which gets guys killed in the NFL), he doesn't have the great throwing motion or long arms and mechanics, which allows Wilson to get the ball out higher than his 5'11" guy but more like a 6'2" guy. I love Johnny Football, don't get me wrong, but Wilson was a freak. Manziel is a Flutie kind of guy, although more accurate (and Flutie would have a little harder time now that players seem to average an inch or two more in height across the board than when he played. I get a hard time for not loving him but yup. There are reasons he was low rated coming out of HS. Fun player but nfl transition has a lot of questions. I enjoy watching him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 @thurmanthomas Landry Jones #FA LOL, Thurman, The Sooners vs Cowboys rivalry never dies. Thurnan is as dumb as a MOFO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Thurnan is as dumb as a MOFO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 his response to his tweet last week really show that Thurman is a clown and I hope he never has part ownership as we will be sunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Russell Wilson is built and pretty big for his weight.) Yeah build-wise Wilson is pretty strong. Reminds me of a smaller version of McNair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 I get a hard time for not loving him but yup. There are reasons he was low rated coming out of HS. Fun player but nfl transition has a lot of questions. I enjoy watching him though. I don't know why he would be low rated coming out of high school though. None of his shortcomings are shortcomings in the college game. Sure he is not prototype size, so maybe as a pure recruit he went down a few notches. But you can be great in college like that. Good notes that he has size 15 shoes and the big hands. That could mean he will grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Time for Don Meridith to sing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Damn, Manzeil is putting on a show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Aaron Williams giving up another TD... oops confusing this with so many Bills games. Edited January 5, 2013 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 What a game for Johnny Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Ron Johnson...Is that the last QB we've had that could actually complete a pass like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) I get a hard time for not loving him but yup. There are reasons he was low rated coming out of HS. Fun player but nfl transition has a lot of questions. I enjoy watching him though. I get judging a guys pro potential by what you see in college, but now their high school rankings are a factor? No denying he is a hell of a college player and colleges would rather have him over almost every other top rated high school prospect. Edited January 5, 2013 by buffaloboyinATL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Ron Johnson...Is that the last QB we've had that could actually complete a pass like that? No...Tom Collins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Good notes that he has size 15 shoes and the big hands. That could mean he will grow. Not only that. It would explain his ability to master the football even on plays where he exhibits unorthodox mechanics. Besides their height, Manziel couldn't be more different than Drew Brees but one thing which is a great equalizer for Brees is his 10.5" hands. If Manziel has big paws that's promising even if he doesn't get taller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Let Jones air it out for the love of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I have no worries about Jones as I have seen him make all the throws and come back multiple times. He will actually do better in the NFL as he will actually have a running game and a OC who knows how to call a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think it was the 3rd TD pass..Manziel threw it to the WR on a slant over the middle and had no problem getting the ball through the D Line...I honestly don't see an issue with size Kelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I have no worries about Jones as I have seen him make all the throws and come back multiple times. He will actually do better in the NFL as he will actually have a running game and a OC who knows how to call a game. Do you still insist he's a first round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think it was the 3rd TD pass..Manziel threw it to the WR on a slant over the middle and had no problem getting the ball through the D Line...I honestly don't see an issue with size Kelly. It was a great pass. In college you can get away with that throw. In the pros, often not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Let Jones air it out for the love of God. No those Morons would rather run now when it's over, maybe if they tried that earlier they wouldn't be so down. Plus their run attack consist mostly of draws and fly sweeps, i'ts really one of the worst run designs I have ever seen, it's amazing that Jones has done as well as he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He does choose to throw to the perimeter more than over the middle so size may be relevant but he seems to compensate for it right now by mixing it up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Do you still insist he's a first round pick? yep, one mediocre game doesn't take away from the rest of the seasson. this offensive design is simply horrible and he will flourish with a pro style Offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 yep, one mediocre game doesn't take away from the rest of the seasson. this offensive design is simply horrible and he will flourish with a pro style Offense. He's had 0 experience in a pro style offense. Keep talking out your ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Stoops has been in Norman forever. Isn't this the same offense that Bradford won the Heisman with as a redshirt freshman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) I get judging a guys pro potential by what you see in college, but now their high school rankings are a factor? No denying he is a hell of a college player and colleges would rather have him over almost every other top rated high school prospect. Right - discussing a red shirt freshman qb, mentioning his rivals or espn rankings coming out of HS is absurd. Please forgive. I don't follow them closely but I know a few people that are big into it and discussed him a bit more than most freshman qbs I could sound off on. Being an SEC addition he got some attention down here. The kids had a hell of a season. He's got some stuff that is likely to hold him back long term in my opinion - that's all. Edited January 5, 2013 by NoSaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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