Maddog69 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Actually, he plays for the Raiders. He's Palmer's backup. Carry on. Thats right. I was thinking he was still in Texas. I was not suggesting that the Bills should consider him. Just that he was in fact on an NFL roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 No doubt, Fitz is way better than Billy Joe Hobert ever was on the Bills. Probably comes from the Harvard degree, and reading the playbook. Can't wait to see him improve even more in Gailey's 2013 version of his spread offense. Rock on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 1. How would you categorize Fitz as a starting QB? Elite? Above-average? Average? Below-average? 2. What other current starting QBs is he comparable to? 3. If you feel that he is above-average, which QBs are better? 4. If you feel that he is average, which QBs are worse? 1. Average, with Below-average potential -- that is important since so many of current starters are YOUNG and promising with potential and higher upsides 2. Cassel 3. Vast majority of NFL starters are either better (Rodgers, Manning brothers, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Flaaco, Schaub, Romo, Stafford, Ryan, Cutler etc.) -- OR --- are young and offer significantly more potential / upside (Luck, Tannehill, Wilson, RG3, Newton, Dalton, Ponder, Weeden, Locker, Gabbert, Freeman, Bradford etc. ) --- 4. Not many -- I think you can put Fitz in a discussion with Cassel, Palmer, Rivers (especially the way he's playing this year), Vick, Kolb and maybe one other QB's fit into a few categories: 1- Elite (The Top 10-12) 2- Potential (1-2 year starters -- right now that's 10-12) 3- Solid, but not elite (another 5-6 guys) 4- Everyone else --- less than solid, not much potential Whatever the final number, FItz is in the last category --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 You're doing yourself a disservice by lumping Wilson in with Luck and RG3. Has he been good for a rookie? yes. Has he been winning the games? Not so much. That team lives and dies by the D and the run game. Evidence? 12 starts, only 3 games with > 30 attempts. If the defense allows more than 20 points, the Seahawks are 1-3 (the win being over the Patriots, which was arguably Wilson's best game along with yesterday). He's been solid, but unspectacular. RG3 and Luck on the other hand...well, they've been just flat out spectacular. Actually yes he has, I'd say he won 3 of them games he put the team on his back and did it (Pats, Bears, Packers w/the bad call).. IDK why you say he hasn't been spectacular he's got 9 touchdowns 0 ints in the last 4 games. Luck has thrown 8.. What you talmbout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 1. How would you categorize Fitz as a starting QB? Elite? Above-average? Average? Below-average? Below Average- Bottom 5 Starter 2. What other current starting QBs is he comparable to? Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel, Christian Ponder 3. I honestly can say that the only qbs i wouldnt trade him for are Kolb and Cassel. I think he is just as bad as Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 1. How would you categorize Fitz as a starting QB? Elite? Above-average? Average? Below-average? Below Average- Bottom 5 Starter 2. What other current starting QBs is he comparable to? Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel, Christian Ponder 3. I honestly can say that the only qbs i wouldnt trade him for are Kolb and Cassel. I think he is just as bad as Sanchez. This guy right here. This is either masterful trolling or he hasn't watched any games this year and just reads this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Average to below average. Definitely worse (regardless of stage of career): Sanchez/Tebow, Gabbert, Locker, Weeden, Palmer, Quinn/Cassel, Foles, Skelton/Lindley/unhealthy Kolb Probably comparable (depending on the day, most of these guys are pretty inconsistent...just like Fitz): Hasselbeck, Henne, Tannehill, Dalton, Vick (2012 version), Ponder, Newton, Bradford, Wilson, healthy Kolb ^ this. I don't think there is any more evaluation to be done on Fitz. He is who he is. I expect a new QB on the roster next season. BUT...I don't expect Nix to sign someone just to make a slight improvement. PTR Edited December 4, 2012 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 This guy right here. This is either masterful trolling or he hasn't watched any games this year and just reads this board. People are obsessed with Fitzpatrick's effect on this team as if he alone is the reason the Bills have a bad record. No one mentions the defense's effect on our record. The first half of the year the defense gave up a crazy amount of yards and points. I don't ever remember a Bills defense being as bad as this one was earlier in the year. But it's somehow all Fitzpatrick's fault...LOL I think he's right square-in-the-middle average. For me, he deserves a final evaluation after these last four games and seeing him playing with a much improved defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 he's no where near top 10 and will never be...that's all that matters. team's not likely to get past the 1st round of the playoffs without a qb of that stature. therefore, the bills need to draft a qb ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 ^ this. I don't think there is any more evaluation to be done on Fitz. He is who he is. I expect a new QB on the roster next season. BUT...I don't expect Nix to sign someone just to make a slight improvement. PTR Agreed, and that has been the whole point. People inflate the worth of all of these other QBs when they would at best be a marginal improvement. Leinart made the Texans roster this year and has been on an NFL roster since being drafted. But, carry on. Actually he was cut by the Texans.....but carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'd rank him anywhere from 20-25, right around there. Dalton and Freeman are so much better then Fitz its not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 He is average imo. I would say worse than him are; gabbert/henne, kolb/skelton, wheeden, bradford (I don't care where he was drafted Rams should have traded him and drafted rg3), tannehill, sanchez, Locker, Quinn/Cassell, Carson Palmer, Nick Foles, and Ponder. On a plain with Flacco, Dalton, and Alex Smith. So I have him clearly better than 11 qbs and on a plain with 3 putting him somewhere between 17-21 which I think is reasonable. Better than him without question; Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Manning x2, Cutler, Rodgers, Ryan, Freeman, Early but likely better; Luck, rg3, Newton, Wilson Probably better; Rivers, Stafford, Schaub and Romo This is a nice job. I might quibble with the worse/on a plain with a little bit, and I think Schaub is definitely better, but overall agree. So to the OP, average (mid- to bottom of the middle 3rd), 15th-21st. And it varies by how he's used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Somewhere between shi**y and shi**iest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 This debate needs to stop. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a back-up that is capable of putting up very good numbers in a pass happy offense when it plays bad defenses. He falls somewhere between 30 and 32 on my list. In fact, the only worse situations right now: Arizona (Skelton, Kolb, other guy) Jets (Sanchez, McAlroy) The super rookies (RG3, Luck, Wilson) are in a class by themself. The other young guys Locker and Cam Newton, and rookies (Wheeden, Tanehill, etc.) still need a little more time to determine. All have showed promise in limited NFL careers and will mos likely be better than Fitz. Agree with this, except I would add Gabbert and Cassel to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Wrong Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I put Fitz in the middle of the pack of NFL quarterbacks. Over the last 2 years of the "Fitz Tenure", our Defense may be the worst in the league. And our best wide receiver is a 7th round draft choice with grandma speed. We have to have at least an average NFL quarterback to win any games with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I wonder just how much attention Fitz's critics pay to the other QBs around the league. Bottom line for me is that those of you who think Fitz is a bottom-dwelling bum simply do not realize just how average the vast majority of QBs are in this league. And in that average category I would include several QBs who are considered elite. Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. I have the sunday ticket and waych a ton of games. Lately I DVR the bills games and go back to watch the carnage later. There is just too much good football being played elswhere. In terms of ranking Fitz, there may be a lot of average QBing in this league. But it's amazing how good that Qbing looks through the prism of Bills fandom. That tells me Fitz is well below average, so I'd put him in the bottom quarter for sure. I rarely watch a game where I see QB's that don't make routine throws look routine. The Bills receivers are pretty average, but they are open often and the ball is misfired on most throws that have to travel more than10 yards in the air. Anyone who watches Fitzpatrick and makes comparison to Brees, etc, well i don't know what to tell you. It's so far off base it barely warrants acknowlegement. Fitzpatrick is bottom 8 in the NFl for sure, and that is probably generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutmost Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Better Question...If waived today would Fitz clear waivers?....probably....after clearing waivers what teams would be interesting in his services besides the Buffalo Bills as a starting QB...?? The only team that maybe would be remotely interested would probably be the Chiefs maybe the Jets but Sanchez has better skill sets than Fitz.....Confidence is Sanchez's problem now and it wont improve in NY ...He needs to get out of NY while he may be still serviceable otherwise he will be done soon.. Besides being a back up somewhere can't see Fitz finding a better situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Fitzy is a lifetime mid 70's passer rating guy. Maybe low 80's in a great year. Add a few points for football IQ, scrambling skills and toughness. Subtract a few for INT propensity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'd put him on par with Brady Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) I can't believe people are still defending Fitz. He literally cannot THROW!!!! Think about it, we have a QB that cannot throw. Can. Not. THROW. And people think he is on the same level as Russel Wilson? Have you seen wilson? He can make every single throw one could imagine. He flicks his wrist and its 50 yards on a rope (which is about 10 yards farther than fitz can flop it forward). He is accurate as hell and fast as schit too. Fitz is a pop-warner QB when compared to him. Actually, I bet if Wilson were to throw left handed, it would be like Fitz throwing with his right. Dalton is way way way better too. You want a good comparison to Fitz? I'll give you Charlie Batch - the Steelers THIRD STRING QB. Edited December 4, 2012 by peterpan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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