Mark Asper claimed by Vikings

[mike6683]

It would be far more useful to compare "Buddy's" 2010 results that you are so critical of to the results of other GMs that had been on the job for such a short period of time prior to the draft. What was it, 3 months? With much of the old staff in place? You are criticizing the 2010 draft in a vacuum. Context is your friend.

 

WRT the 2011 draft, there hasnt been enough time to to truly assess the class. That said, are you suggesting that you are better at evaluating college talent than an NFL FO? You do understand that it's not just Nxx making these picks, correct? You criticize him for not filling backup QB and completely ignore the insane run on QBs that occured last year. Ponder 12 overall? Idiot.

 

Now in 2012 you B word about an R6 getting cut? Even if the pick was a mistake, as you claim, it's nice to see A.) marginal talent not making the team and B.) a GM admit the player picked wasnt a fit and move on. Would you prefer the FO cling to "their guy" just because they picked him? If so, Tom Donahoe says hi.

 

Grow up and stop acting like you know better. You don't.

DONT YOU KNOW EVERYONE HERE IS A DRAFT EXPERT I MEAN RESELL WILSON HASENT PLAYED A REAL GAME, WE DINDNT PICK HIM SO HE MUST BE A HALL OF FAMER

Edited September 2, 2012 by mike6683

[FluffHead]

DONT YOU KNOW EVERYONE HERE IS A DRAFT EXPERT I MEAN RESELL WILSON HASENT PLAYED A REAL GAME, WE DINDNT PICK HIM SO HE MUST BE A HALL OF FAMER

re-sell wilson?

[inkman]

No they made their teams

But they didn't make the Bills and you can't assume they would have.

[Mark Vader]

Can't argue with you there, Coach. The 2010 draft doesn't look good top to bottom. Moats looks like a decent late rd. find out of that class, and CJ has some talent, but hasn't made the impact you'd hope out of a top 10 pick yet (perhaps due to circumstance as much as talent). But, I would definitely have hoped to get more out of Troup, Carrington, and Easley, which appears to be absolutely nothing at this point.

I would have too at this point.

 

To be fair, Easley had a season ending injury and then a heart problem, and Troup has been plagued by injuries.

 

Sometimes bad things like this happen to players no matter where they are drafted.

[vincec]

My point was not about the Lynch trade - it was about the misperception that we should stock up on draft picks because Nix knows what to do with them. He doesn't. There have been more players released from the last three draft classes than there are starters. Nix is three drafts in and yet is still scrambling to fill key holes like backup QB and no. 2 WR. He has yet to draft a QB who can play. I just don't see where he gets this reputation as a maverick drafter. It's a joke.

As I've always said, the goal is to convert draft picks into contributing players, not the opposite.

 

As far as the draft goes, Nix drafted Dareus but all the other key contributors on the team were either acquired before he got here (F Jackson, S Johnson, K Williams, E Wood, A Levitre, R Fitzpatrick, J Byrd) or were free agents (Chandler, M Williams, N Barnett). Spiller contributes some but for the 9th overall pick you might expect a little more. We'll see if this year's draft class is any better but Nix's best work to date has been in FA not the draft.

Edited September 2, 2012 by vincec

[BillnutinHouston]

Spiller contributes some but for the 9th overall pick you might expect a little more

 

I expect Spiller to get a lot of touches this year, including receptions out of the backfield. If defenses put 8 men in the box to stop the run or out of a lack of respect for our deep passing game, a bubble screen can be very effective and Spiller should be effective doing this.

[ganesh]

This.

 

Just to add to what you've written: a few months ago I read an article from a Seattle newspaper. The article pointed out that Lynch was averaging nearly one yard less per carry than the Seahawks' other main RB. (I forget the guy's name.)

 

When I read that, I remembered the fact that Fred Jackson typically had a significantly higher per-carry average than Lynch, when both players were in Bills uniforms.

 

Any time you take a player 12th overall, you expect a lot more than that! :angry:

 

The fact that the Bills couldn't get more than a fourth and sixth rounder out of him when they traded him away also says something about how other GMs regarded him.

 

The list of things Marv did right as GM starts and ends with Kyle Williams. That's it! Nothing else Marv did as GM was the right move. His first round picks were either serious disappointments or outright busts. The same with all his other draft picks, except of course Kyle Williams. His free agent signings were all overpaid, overhyped, and couldn't get the job done. Melvin Fowler? Peerless Price version 2? Derrick Dockery? Larry Triplett? We're not exactly talking about the makings of a Pro Bowl team here.

 

On top of Marv's terrible drafts and his even worse free agent signings, he also hired the wrong head coach.

 

Lynch was a starter here and is the starting RB in Seattle and most of the Pundits rank him in the top 10-15 RBs in the league

Whitner started for the Bills for FIVE years and continues to start for the 49ers

Kyle Williams starts for the Bills and went to the Pro Bowl

Levy was the reason Jackson was even added to our team

Trent Edwards did start for the Bills for many games.

 

Marv may have goofed in drafting his right side of OL in Dockery and Walker, but then so did Nix with his goofy signing of Green. Marv may have signed the crappy Jauron...but then Nix did allow Gailey to hire Edwards only to fire him after 2 seasons...and also changing their style of play from 3-4 to 4-3...at least the Jauron led team consistently used the stupid Tampa-2.

 

I don't think Marv had that bad of a GM position. He solidified and re-united the organization after the 4 years of dictatorship under Donahoe....He bought fans back to the stadium. Give credit to him where he is due. At this point Marv and Nix have the same record.....zero playoffs for their respective squads.

[RuntheDamnBall]

The list of things Marv did right as GM starts and ends with Kyle Williams. That's it! Nothing else Marv did as GM was the right move.

George Wilson and Fred Jackson say hi, but generally speaking you're right. Brad Butler was also a good pick - you can't always project that a guy will face injuries and lose his desire.

[jester43]

So I guess your point is you would rather have Lynch than Fred Jackson, right? Otherwise, not really sure what your point is. Lynch was not a good performer for the Bills when he was here. The bills also got a 4th which turned out to be Hairston I believe. 6th round picks do not always work out. Sometimes, players who you might like to bring back on the PS get claimed.

i'd rather have lynch and fred jackson and then have used spiller's pick on a linebacker

[NoSaint]

i'd rather have lynch and fred jackson and then have used spiller's pick on a linebacker

 

Would that have been Sean weatherspoon at 19 or Darryl Washington who went at 47 and was the next lb after that? Note also that we swapped defensive scheme from 34 at the time to 43 now - making spiller even more valuable than a lb there.

[mob16151]

Fair point and I hope you're right. It doesn't explain the 2010 draft debacle though - we had no players on that squad. There was no reason why those later round picks shouldn't have stuck.

 

Tom Modrak does.

[syhuang]

So

 

The 5th and 6th rounders couldn't crack into our 53 man roster = these 5th and 6th round players Nix drafted are bad = Nix sucks

 

but

 

The 5h and 6th rounders we released are signed by other teams = these 5th and 6th round players aren't that bad and have potential = Nix still sucks?

 

 

Is it still cool to blame Nix on Carder and Asper not making 53 man roster after they are signed by other teams? Or now it is more cool to talk about 2010 draft?