AllenToBrown2020 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Bobby O is that you? Bobby O coached for like 40 years bro. I think it's Naaman Roosevelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Hope it's not this Gillett guy. Quick google search shows he doesn't keep any of his investments (business or sports-related) very long. Don't see how he would bring stability to the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yikes... if any substance to the rumors... good news we have a team . Bad news we will hate the way its run. Ugh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 thurman thomas also had a tweet a couple days ago about it i think this is much more then speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yikes... if any substance to the rumors... good news we have a team . Bad news we will hate the way its run. Ugh.... Here's what I'm not understanding. The rumors are that a "current" NHL owner is the mystery man in question, correct? Gillett sold the Habs in '09, so he wouldn't fit this description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Here's what I'm not understanding. The rumors are that a "current" NHL owner is the mystery man in question, correct? Gillett sold the Habs in '09, so he wouldn't fit this description. If that is true being a current owner then Mr. Pegula is the only possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 If that is true being a current owner then Mr. Pegula is the only possibility Apparently not Pegula either though. Here's the series of Tweets that started this whole firestorm of rumors (this rules out Pegula, Jacobs, and Gillett... who else would have connections to Buffalo and/or would Jim know?): @BuffaloRising Buffalo Rising A current NHL owner was at the Ralph yesterday with the Kelly family. And he reportedly met with Roger Goodell. More to come tomorrow. . . @BuffaloRising Buffalo Rising @DeuxMontagnes @lobiancg @buffalothreads Not Jeremy Jacobs @BuffaloRising Buffalo Rising @Tom_Elling NHL owner does not reference Terry Pegula. More details tomorrow. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 If that is true being a current owner then Mr. Pegula is the only possibility I don't think so. If I understand the rule correctly, the NFL prohibits owning a NFL team and a team in another league only if the city the other league team is in has an NFL team. This would make it possible for the owner of any of the Canadian NHL teams to also own the Bills. The owners of the Ducks and Blue Jackets may also be possible, although both of these teams have NFL teams close enough(Ducks would be the Chargers, Blue Jackets would be the Bengals and/or Browns)that the league might say that they are within that team's territory and disallow cross league ownership.Still, that's 7-9 NHL owners other than Pegula who could be allowed to purchase the Bills. Whether any of them can afford all or at least a controlling share of an NFL franchise, I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Man I hope its not Gillett... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) I don't think so. If I understand the rule correctly, the NFL prohibits owning a NFL team and a team in another league only if the city the other league team is in has an NFL team. This would make it possible for the owner of any of the Canadian NHL teams to also own the Bills. The owners of the Ducks and Blue Jackets may also be possible, although both of these teams have NFL teams close enough(Ducks would be the Chargers, Blue Jackets would be the Bengals and/or Browns)that the league might say that they are within that team's territory and disallow cross league ownership.Still, that's 7-9 NHL owners other than Pegula who could be allowed to purchase the Bills. Whether any of them can afford all or at least a controlling share of an NFL franchise, I am not sure. You can see the detailed cross-ownership policy (assuming it has not been significantly amended since 2006) as set forth in NFL Finance Committee resolution 1997 FC-3, which is attached to the 2006 version of the NFL Constitution & Bylaws at: http://static.nfl.com/static/content//public/static/html/careers/pdf/co_.pdf The policy starts at page 174/292. . . . Be it Resolved, as follows: 1. . . . [among other things, defining "neutral area" as "any area that is not within the home territory of any NFL club"]; 2. That the controlling owner of an NFL club may propose to sell his NFL ownership interest to an individual owner of a franchise in another major sports league, but only if (a) the other major sports league franchise is located within the home territory of the owner's NFL club or within a neutral territory . . . * * * * * * 6. That for purposes of this resolution the "home territories" described above shall include each home territory in which a club is currently playing (which, as of the date of this resolution, includes Houston), as well as the areas that would constitute the home territories of clubs playing in Cleveland, greater Los Angeles (including Orange County), Nashville, and Memphis. Although it is not drafted with great clarity, it sounds to me like none of the cities listed in item #6 qualify as a "neutral area," because they are defined as being included in "home territories." So how many NHL cities does that leave as candidates for cross-ownership? Toronto and all other Canadian NHL cities would definitely be in - - LA, Orange County (Anaheim) and Nashville would be out. Columbus? Edited October 11, 2011 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 You can see the detailed cross-ownership policy (assuming it has not been significantly amended since 2006) as set forth in NFL Finance Committee resolution 1997 FC-3, which is attached to the 2006 version of the NFL Constitution & Bylaws at: http://static.nfl.com/static/content//public/static/html/careers/pdf/co_.pdf The policy starts at page 174/292. Although it is not drafted with great clarity, it sounds to me like none of the cities listed in item #6 qualify as a "neutral area," because they are defined as being included in "home territories." So how many NHL cities does that leave as candidates for cross-ownership? Toronto and all other Canadian NHL cities would definitely be in - - LA, Orange County (Anaheim) and Nashville would be out. Columbus? 2. That the controlling owner of an NFL club may propose to sell his NFL ownership interest to an individual owner of a franchise in another major sports league, but only if (a) the other major sports league franchise is located within the home territory of the owner's NFL club or within a neutral territory Unless I am reading this wrong wouldn't Toronto be in then? Larry Tanenbaum (the closest thin TO has to an owner from my understanding). He has had a long-standing interest in the sports and entertainment area and to that end in 1991 he spearheaded the effort to bring a NBA franchise to Toronto. In 1996 an interest was acquired in the Toronto Maple Leafs hockey club and arena. In 1998 he was an active force in the acquisition of the Toronto Raptors basketball team and the Air Canada Centre, which, with the Toronto Maple Leafs, formed Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment Limited. He is Chairman of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Limited, and is a Governor of the NBA (Toronto Raptors), the NHL (Toronto Maple Leafs) and Major League Soccer (Toronto FC). Kilmer also has significant investment in various sports-related entities, including Insight Sports Ltd, which is a leading sports media company involved in the creation, production and broadcasting, on all platforms, of sports and related lifestyle content. Insight Sports holds equity positions in several Canadian specialty television services including The NHL Network and Score Media and owns and/or operates the World Fishing Network (WFN) and Game TV. In 2003, through Plaza Gaming and Entertainment, Kilmer invested in the charitable gaming industry in Canada. Through its operations in Ontario and BC, Plaza's facilities raise over $20 million per year for local municipal charities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I think you guys are reading way too much into this. I think he was hinting at hemorrhoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Unless I am reading this wrong wouldn't Toronto be in then? Larry Tanenbaum (the closest thin TO has to an owner from my understanding). He has had a long-standing interest in the sports and entertainment area and to that end in 1991 he spearheaded the effort to bring a NBA franchise to Toronto. In 1996 an interest was acquired in the Toronto Maple Leafs hockey club and arena. In 1998 he was an active force in the acquisition of the Toronto Raptors basketball team and the Air Canada Centre, which, with the Toronto Maple Leafs, formed Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment Limited. He is Chairman of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Limited, and is a Governor of the NBA (Toronto Raptors), the NHL (Toronto Maple Leafs) and Major League Soccer (Toronto FC). Kilmer also has significant investment in various sports-related entities, including Insight Sports Ltd, which is a leading sports media company involved in the creation, production and broadcasting, on all platforms, of sports and related lifestyle content. Insight Sports holds equity positions in several Canadian specialty television services including The NHL Network and Score Media and owns and/or operates the World Fishing Network (WFN) and Game TV. In 2003, through Plaza Gaming and Entertainment, Kilmer invested in the charitable gaming industry in Canada. Through its operations in Ontario and BC, Plaza's facilities raise over $20 million per year for local municipal charities. Did my middle brother Darryl put you up to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Whether any of them can afford all or at least a controlling share of an NFL franchise, I am not sure. Several Canadian NHL franchise owners are included in this recently published list of the 100 richest Canadians for 2011: http://list.canadianbusiness.com/rankings/rich100/2011/Default.aspx?sp2=1&d1=a&sc1=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 You can see the detailed cross-ownership policy (assuming it has not been significantly amended since 2006) as set forth in NFL Finance Committee resolution 1997 FC-3, which is attached to the 2006 version of the NFL Constitution & Bylaws at: http://static.nfl.com/static/content//public/static/html/careers/pdf/co_.pdf The policy starts at page 174/292. Although it is not drafted with great clarity, it sounds to me like none of the cities listed in item #6 qualify as a "neutral area," because they are defined as being included in "home territories." So how many NHL cities does that leave as candidates for cross-ownership? Toronto and all other Canadian NHL cities would definitely be in - - LA, Orange County (Anaheim) and Nashville would be out. Columbus? I read this as meaning that LA/Anaheim and Nashville are in. It says that an owner of another major sports league team can only buy an NFL team if that team is in his home territory and home territory includes the home territories of Cleveland, LA/OC, Nashville, and Memphis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvrOfficiousJerk Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I don't think so. If I understand the rule correctly, the NFL prohibits owning a NFL team and a team in another league only if the city the other league team is in has an NFL team. This would make it possible for the owner of any of the Canadian NHL teams to also own the Bills. The owners of the Ducks and Blue Jackets may also be possible, although both of these teams have NFL teams close enough(Ducks would be the Chargers, Blue Jackets would be the Bengals and/or Browns)that the league might say that they are within that team's territory and disallow cross league ownership.Still, that's 7-9 NHL owners other than Pegula who could be allowed to purchase the Bills. Whether any of them can afford all or at least a controlling share of an NFL franchise, I am not sure. Not that the owner of the Columbus Blue Jackets is in play but I doubt that it would be "home territory" for either Cleveland or Cincy, for the sake of argument. I dabble in NFL broadcasting as a minor hobby, and the506 dude says that it's not a secondary market for either of them (like Rochester is for Buffalo). We get Blue Jackets games up here in Cleveland but according to the map it's not vice versa for the Brownies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Pegula's daughter (at least) was at the game on Sunday. I doubt that was coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I bet its Larry Tannenbaum. Based on slimy Goodell's statements, they will start it out 'innocently' enough with one game in Toronto a season, plus the preseason game. It will eventually evolve out of 'necessity' into the Bills moving to Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvrOfficiousJerk Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Pegula's daughter (at least) was at the game on Sunday. I doubt that was coincidence. Especially since they were coming off the Europe trip for the NHL season opener(s). I think the family follows the Steelers (at least JPegula does), so it's not like they were there to see the Iggles either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 http://www.buffalorising.com/2011/10/bills-ownership-rumors-swirl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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