Quinn Early's Ghost Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I don't know if this was already touched upon, but since it was posted last night at 1am, I think I'm safe: Bills LB Nick Barnett knows their performance against the Denver Broncos may not have been anything to shout about on Saturday night, but he’s promising bigger and better things for the regular season and is telling Bills fans not to panic. “We should be able to run our base defense and stop them, then again, we did not game plan them at all,” said Barnett. ”I probably watched one quarter on them, and that was today. It’s the preseason, you’re supposed to be able to go out there and play your base defense and make the plays. We came up a little bit short, but there were some good things that we can take from this game and build upon. I wouldn’t throw away your season tickets; it’s going to be a great season, don’t worry.” Watched. One. Quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 It showed on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Makes sense, it's about working on your own things, not game planning to exploit the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn Early's Ghost Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 It showed on Saturday. Ah, I just saw that. Sorry for the re-post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappy Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 He doesn't realize that it's been that way for about 10 years, this past Saturday was just another example of the Bills shortcomings. You don't set people up to fail, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'll buy it for the defense. I still find the offensive line effort deficient. That being said, did Denver then game plan for us and we have all that on tape for December 24th? On both sides of the ball, I saw more than just base being run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I don't know if this was already touched upon, but since it was posted last night at 1am, I think I'm safe: Bills LB Nick Barnett knows their performance against the Denver Broncos may not have been anything to shout about on Saturday night, but he’s promising bigger and better things for the regular season and is telling Bills fans not to panic. “We should be able to run our base defense and stop them, then again, we did not game plan them at all,” said Barnett. ”I probably watched one quarter on them, and that was today. It’s the preseason, you’re supposed to be able to go out there and play your base defense and make the plays. We came up a little bit short, but there were some good things that we can take from this game and build upon. I wouldn’t throw away your season tickets; it’s going to be a great season, don’t worry.” Watched. One. Quarter. Thanks, Russ.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Read the Buffalo News article: Linky Gailey said his coaches intentionally used base schemes, almost no blitzes on defense, no extra help for pass blockers to account for the strengths of the Denver personnel. Gailey intentionally did not allow blitzing because he wanted to evaluate deficiencies in the base defense. He did not allow chip blocking on offense either because he wanted to evaluate how well individual players performed in just a base scheme. I thought something about this game didn't look right. This game was about evaluating talent, not winning. We'll have to ride this out to see how things progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm still wondering why everyone is so uppity about a preseason game. You're not going to show anything to the opponent so other teams can get a book on you. You're also evaluating the players and who will do what in the base defense/offense. Winning the game is a distant 3rd (if that) to the above two objectives. Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm still wondering why everyone is so uppity about a preseason game. You're not going to show anything to the opponent so other teams can get a book on you. You're also evaluating the players and who will do what in the base defense/offense. Winning the game is a distant 3rd (if that) to the above two objectives. Get a grip. I think people remember the preseason of the past two years, when we looked terrible. And then come the regular season, we still looked... terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I think people remember the preseason of the past two years, when we looked terrible. And then come the regular season, we still looked... terrible. Caveman has it right. We don't have the luxury of pretending we can turn it on for the season opener. There's nothing to turn on. The offense will take a step back from last year. The line is abysmal and depth is worse. Fitz hasn't found a groove yet and the loss of Evans was a self inflicted wound that will come back and haunt us season long. Chan wanted to come out and see how his team played in base offense and defense. Well, mission accomplished, it was horrid. Channix have a few weeks left to get some talent and depth on the OL. We can spend $4 mil on a gimmick QB who will take a few snaps a game but won't spend a dime on OL talent that we can't pull off a waiver wire or PS somewhere. Pathetic. And what really amazes me is after drafting 650 or so DB's this past decade, our secondary is weak. As fans, let's watch to DL improve and rest our hats on that for the time being...that'w what we got folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I think people remember the preseason of the past two years, when we looked terrible. And then come the regular season, we still looked... terrible. Bingo. I'd love to see us come out and play with confidence in the pre-season, instead of dicking around waiting to lose in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm still wondering why everyone is so uppity about a preseason game. You're not going to show anything to the opponent so other teams can get a book on you. You're also evaluating the players and who will do what in the base defense/offense. Winning the game is a distant 3rd (if that) to the above two objectives. Get a grip. Because the average poster has no idea what they're looking at, doesn't understand what "base" means and wants to participate in the "OMG WE SUCK" screaming contest. Preseason games are for evaluating personnel. We have absolutely no idea what the coaches objectives are going into the game yet the fan base freaks when they don't see us absolutely dominating. I'm sure we could go out and waste time installing a full blown game plan but it's a pointless exercise. Gailey & Wanny wanted to see if they could get pressure on the QB with just 3 lineman. If they can, it completely changes what they can do in the regular season. That process is called a self assessment. He also wanted to see if our five lineman were able to block in a base package without a lot of additional schemes. Can we all just please relax and let the coaches do their job. If we don't win 8 games this season then you'll have something to B word about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Not having a game plan does not excuse your starting OT getting blown up or the new TE looking stupid as the OLB plants the QB into the ground. Bills had several 3rd & 1 opportunities in the first half and needed gimmick plays to pick up the 1st down. So please spare me the "no game plan" preseason ritual. Bills did bring LB blitzes, but weren't successful. If there's any hope for this season, they better protect Merriman's health at any cost. Until this team finally wins the 1-on-1 battles in the trenches, these threads will be common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I think people remember the preseason of the past two years, when we looked terrible. And then come the regular season, we still looked... terrible. Preeeeeeecisely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Not having a game plan does not excuse your starting OT getting blown up or the new TE looking stupid as the OLB plants the QB into the ground. Bills had several 3rd & 1 opportunities in the first half and needed gimmick plays to pick up the 1st down. So please spare me the "no game plan" preseason ritual. Bills did bring LB blitzes, but weren't successful. If there's any hope for this season, they better protect Merriman's health at any cost. Until this team finally wins the 1-on-1 battles in the trenches, these threads will be common. LB blitzes are part of the base 3-4 package. What we didn't do is send anyone from the secondary on blitzes. Denver did on almost every snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 The lack of planning was obvious on Denver's second scoring drive. Orton took them down the field with a series of short drops, one play even one step drop and picked up big yards along with quick snapping the Bills before the defense was set on the same drive. Buffalo would see that on film and be ready in a regular season game. The defense does not concerm me as much as the offense. Fitzpatrick has not been accurate, receivers drop balls when he is and Bell's ugly performance is going to get the QB killed. Based on what the wr's showed the other night, I cannot see the logic in casting off Lee Evans for a 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn Early's Ghost Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Because the average poster has no idea what they're looking at, doesn't understand what "base" means and wants to participate in the "OMG WE SUCK" screaming contest. Preseason games are for evaluating personnel. We have absolutely no idea what the coaches objectives are going into the game yet the fan base freaks when they don't see us absolutely dominating. I'm sure we could go out and waste time installing a full blown game plan but it's a pointless exercise. Gailey & Wanny wanted to see if they could get pressure on the QB with just 3 lineman. If they can, it completely changes what they can do in the regular season. That process is called a self assessment. He also wanted to see if our five lineman were able to block in a base package without a lot of additional schemes. Can we all just please relax and let the coaches do their job. If we don't win 8 games this season then you'll have something to B word about. I, as an average fan, know that an inaccurate QB is an inaccurate QB. Simple sets or not, regardless of the coaches agendas, Fitz couldn't hit the far side of the barn. So here's the OMG WE SUCK screaming contest, FITZ LOOKED HORRIBLE. But it's okay, it's only the 2nd preseason game, and we only used base packages, that called for the QB to misthrow, so we could see how athletic our WRs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 LB blitzes are part of the base 3-4 package. What we didn't do is send anyone from the secondary on blitzes. Denver did on almost every snap. I didn't know that 58 & 92 are numbers assigned to defensive backs. Was that another NFL rule change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Read the Buffalo News article: Linky Gailey intentionally did not allow blitzing because he wanted to evaluate deficiencies in the base defense. He did not allow chip blocking on offense either because he wanted to evaluate how well individual players performed in just a base scheme. I thought something about this game didn't look right. This game was about evaluating talent, not winning. We'll have to ride this out to see how things progress. It's been posted around here before (and by myself as well) that Marv Levy always felt worried if he won a preseason game. If he did, he thought he probably wasn't using the opportunity to evaluate his own players in situations that MIGHT arise in the regular season when, it goes without saying, that the games count. Whether that was the reason the Bills looked awful Saturday -- that Gailey was using a game that doesn't count to evaluate his players -- or if the Bills really do suck is something I don't think we'll know for about another month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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