PromoTheRobot Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 it does when Spiller was a wasted pick and has done nothing for us. Then start another "Spiller sucks" thread. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir andrew Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Thanks for the UB info Promo! Seem to know your UB stuff cold. I just started going this past semester and yes, it was truly painful to go those games. Wish I could have been out here over the past couple of years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Yup. Starks - undrafted Fred Jackson - undrafted NFL rushing champ A. Foster - undrated Runner up: J. Charles - 3d round 2d runner up: M. Turner - 5th round Sure there are a number of first round RBs starting around the leauge, but the RB is the easiest piece to find to have a good running game. OL and a QB that has to be respected are far greater priorities. Pierre Thomas, Chris ivory,in new Orleans too But I think there is something said for early backs, I just worry that if they are feature backs, they've been fed too many carries in college to get the 1st round stats, if they are shifty they have to re-learn the position. A mid - late round small school guy that was a straight ahead runner probably didn't take near the shots that a 3 year starter in the SEC did. They are bigger, stronger, faster typically though. All three hard qualities to argue against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Yes, I made this list to slam Spiller. PTR Whew, thankfully you weren't around to witness O.J's first couple of years as there was nothing special in them, yet he went number one overall in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFITZ1 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 To be accurate, prior coach Jim Hofher recruited all but Roosevelt. Here's a little trivia for you: There are 6 UB players signed to NFL teams right now... DE Trevor Scott - Oakland C Jamey Richard - Indianapolis S Mike Newton - Indianapolis WR Naaman Roosevelt - Buffalo RB James Starks - Green Bay QB Drew Willy - NY Jets (futures roster) CB Davonte Shannon has some NFL draft prospects as well. A golden age for UB football. PTR Extra trivia. Two UB alimni played in the latter years of the AFL. Gerry Philben - NY Jets ; John Stofa (QB) - Miami Dolphins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 That was awesome to see Starks run like that. As a UB grad, I'm very proud. Unfortunately, when I was a student, we weren't D-IA (or FBS) but we did have a pretty good season my senior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 To me, the best RBs in the pros have that downhill running style. You see it from Starks, Freddie, Jamaal Charles, etc.. These guys get the ball and don't try to juke your socks off. They hit the seam hard, make one cut at most and always seem to fall forward for that extra yard. As for Spiller, he claims to have learned this lesson late in the season. We'll see, hopefully for us Bills fans he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 To me, the best RBs in the pros have that downhill running style. You see it from Starks, Freddie, Jamaal Charles, etc.. These guys get the ball and don't try to juke your socks off. They hit the seam hard, make one cut at most and always seem to fall forward for that extra yard. This is why I preferred Fred Jackson over Marshawn Lynch. Hit the hole and run through it - plain and simple. Lynch would (and still does) try to juke and make everyone miss. It looks good sometimes (looked good on Saturday), but every time you try and deke someone, that gives time for the other 10 defenders to catch up to you. As for Spiller, he claims to have learned this lesson late in the season. We'll see, hopefully for us Bills fans he has. Personally, I think Spiller was overwhelmed a bit by the pro game. He was probably realizing quickly that the NFL linebackers are a lot faster than the ones he saw in the ACC and couldn't figure out how to adjust. He needs more time (more than we'd expect out of a first-round pick), but hopefully has started to adjust. I also hope this will pay off next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsadale Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 it does when Spiller was a wasted pick and has done nothing for us. "HE'S A WITCH...BURRRRRRN HIMMMMM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 to bad Starks was injured for his senior season.....it cost him dearly in the draft.....i remember Kiper had an early mock draft right after his junior season and had Starks as a late first or early second rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 As a UB alum, I'm proud of our guy. Glad to see Starks and Naaman making contributions to their respective teams. As another UB alum, it shows what a great job Turner Gil did at UB. The Bulls are starting to make their marks in the NFL! Now, some attention needs to be given to the program back at UB! And, Starks does show that it is rare that a running back is worth a first round pick ... there always seem to be some good RB's and WR's who don't get drafted or who are available later in the draft. Linemen early .. the building blocks of a team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Well said! It should be incredibly obvious to Bills fans (especially older ones) who saw OJ languish in mediocrity until a great OL and a decent QB in Fergy propel him to greatness (I won't bring up what brought him down). The RB does need to know how to find and hit the hole, plus have the moves and power for extra yards. However, if the OL is bad, everyone behind them looks that much worse as well. My theory - the team that controls the trenches, controls the game. Starks had some BIG holes to run through. He was a monster at UB. The Willy/Roosevelt/Starks title team was great to watch. Probably never happen again with Turner Gill gone, but good while it lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 It also bears mentioning that Starks not only starred at UB, but is also a homegrown talent. He is born and raised in Niagara Falls and was a star QB for the Niagara Falls High School Wolverines, the same school that put Jonny Flynn in the NBA. Way to go "Buck," the Cataract City is proud of you! Go get yourself some dirty bird, then on to the NFC Championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Yup. Starks - undrafted Fred Jackson - undrafted NFL rushing champ A. Foster - undrated Runner up: J. Charles - 3d round 2d runner up: M. Turner - 5th round Sure there are a number of first round RBs starting around the leauge, but the RB is the easiest piece to find to have a good running game. OL and a QB that has to be respected are far greater priorities. While the second part about OL and QB is likely true, you can make a list like that from all positions. All positions can be found anywhere. I like Starks a lot but he had 1-2 good games (one thing I didn't know about him was that he is John Starks' son, which is cool). The reason we drafted Spiller so high was not because he was a RB and we needed a RB or the powers that be felt a team needs to build around a top RB but because Spiller was a game breaker with ridiculous speed who could help in the run, pass and return games. And we had no playmaker on offense who was a threat by himself. Whether or not he turns out to be that player remains to be seen, but (and I'm not referring to you here) it's dumb to say you don't draft a RB in the 1st or that you can find a RB anywhere like it is an easy thing to do, and then use Spiller as an example. If there was a stud RB at 9 without that speed they never ever would have drafted him. Jammal Charles is a special player because of his speed and game breaking ability. Guys like Starks are a dime a dozen with a lot of talent and capable of a very good game. Guys like Charles (even though he was a third rounder) are $360,000,000 a dozen. Edited January 10, 2011 by Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 And to hijack this thread to the NCAA hypocrisy - UB recruiting & admissions just got millions of free advertising on national TV from Starks' performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 it does when Spiller was a wasted pick and has done nothing for us. It must be nice to know so much after 400 plus posts....Let's just cut the guy now because he'll never be any good...so says the barbarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Not sure if this was mentioned yet, for the benefit of those who may not know, but Starks is from Niagara Falls. Like Roosevelt he played for his local D1 college team. Another WNY NFL'er. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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